Fitzquake Mark V Fullbrights

[adib]

It should have been asked before, but I can't find it thru the forums.

I have these two image files:

ID1\textures\bclamp02.tga (type 2 TGA)

ID1\textures\bclamp02_glow.tga (type 2 TGA also)


Darkplaces gets it right: the lamp brush looks fullbrighted where the "_glow" image masks it.

At Fitzquake site Baker says his engine uses the same naming convention for fullbrights. But the latest Fitzquake Mark V ignores my fullbright mask .TGA


What am I doing wrong? How do I get Fitzquake Mark V to fullbright my brush?

[Baker]

Try changing it from _glow to _luma

I looked at various texture packs and the ones intended for traditional Quake engines like JoeQuake/FitzQuake/ezQuake/Qrack and such all used _luma.

So I may have scrubbed out _glow in favor of having a single way to do it that worked with all of the relevant existing texture packs.

[adib]

No luck. The image now is "bclamp02_luma.tga", still a Type 2 TGA with no alpha channel. It's in the same directory as bclamp02.tga

Am I doing something wrong? What about the look of the texture, is it right?

EDIT: remember they are in ID1\textures folder, to use on brushes. Should it work?

EDIT 2: it works in JoeQuake, just tested it. But not in Fitz.

[Baker]

ALSO: Another possibility ...

FitzQuake engines apply fullbright external textures differently than most engines.

Does it as an additive blend, not a mask.

This means the regular external texture must have black where those pixels will be replaced by fullbright.

Are these textures for maps or models? If models, I would compare vs. Quakespasm and FitzQuake 0.85.

[Baker]

Looking at your texture, black out the area that will become fullbright in the original texture (the top one).

This could be an additive blend methodology at play.

[Baker]

_glow should work

(Just checked. I couldn't remember because sadly few people use external textures with FitzQuake/Quakespasm).

So now is more a question of why it doesn't work.

[Baker]

This is a poorly lit area of dm3.bsp in the red armor area with texture http://quakeone.com/proquake/media/sfloor4_2_glow.pcx in the textures folder. You'd need a non-glow texture sfloor4_2 in there otherwise it wouldn't bother to look for the _glow one. ( http://quakeone.com/proquake/media/sfloor4_2.pcx )



That is Mark V (I have a folder with external HUD textures and stuff, Mark V beta has the ability to load all of those provided they are in the DarkPlaces naming convention like gfx\mainmenu.tga and such)

[adib]

You told me to black out the areas that will be fullbright, but in your sfloor4_2 example you did what I was doing: blacked the lightmapped areas and painted the fullbright areas. This is what your screenshot shows, right? So, my bclamp02 and bclamp02_glow textures should work.

I made a simple map to test your sfloor4_2. Didn't work as well. Tried with PCX files and TGA Type 2 files. The texture is loaded, but the _glow doesn't show.

Here is my console:



And here is how I'm running FitzQuake:

fitzquake_mark_v.exe -window +map teste -width 1280 -height 720 -bpp 32 +external_textures 1

I'm sending attached the BSP and the two textures exactly how they are in my quake folder. Don't know what's happening.

EDIT: JoeQuake shows it right. I get a wall like yours, but only using JoeQuake.

[adib]

October 2014 build test

Baker,

Here is what I just did:

1- Unzipped a fresh copy of Quake to a folder;
2- Unzipped dx8_mark_v_debug.exe and mark_v_vs2008.exe, from October 2014 build you linked at Func_Msgboard, into the folder;
3- Created a "textures" folder under ID1;
4- Moved sfloor4_2.pcx and sfloor4_2_glow.pcx you linked into "ID1\textures".

Then I runned both execs. Didn't get the fullbright effect, the engine seems to ignore the _glow image.

I turned on TOOL_TEXTUREPOINTER to see what texture was that. It showed "textures/sfloor4_2", meaning the engine is loading the external texture. What about its "_glow" counterpart? Don't know.

Then I runned the same test on another computer. Same result, no fullbrights.

Here is my test, to unzip and run:
markv.zip

Am I doing something wrong? What's missing here?

[adib]

As requested

Baker, here is my console dump. You can get the ZIP with my test right above this post. The external textures are exactly the ones you posted there at Func_Messageboard, and the map is DM3, the one you tested (the red armor room, remember?).

UDP Initialized
Exe: 05:37:33 Apr 13 2015
256.0 megabyte heap
Note: Multisample not requested
FOUND: ARB_multitexture
FOUND: ARB_texture_env_combine
FOUND: ARB_texture_env_add
FOUND: GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two
FOUND: EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic
Swap control enabled
Hardware gamma enabled
joystick not found -- no valid joysticks (a5)
Input initialized
Avi capturing module initialized
ACM module initialized

Sound Initialization
Set primary sound buffer format: yes
Using secondary sound buffer
2 channel(s)
16 bits/sample
11025 bytes/sec
DirectSound initialized
Audio: 16 bit, stereo, 11025 Hz
Sound sampling rate: 11025
CDAudio_Init: No CD in player.
CD Audio Initialized

========= Quake Initialized =========

execing quake.rc
execing default.cfg
execing config.cfg
execing autoexec.cfg
3 demo(s) in loop
Playing demo from demo1.dem.



the Necropolis
Using protocol 15
Standard vis, maps/e1m3.vis not found
Track: music/track02.mp3 not found
You got the shells
You got the Grenade Launcher
]map dm3
Warning: Override progs.dat no impulse 12
Standard vis, maps/dm3.vis not found

Mark V 0.99 SERVER (51103 CRC)



The Abandoned Base
Using protocol 666
Track: music/track06.mp3 not found
]textures
128 x 128 lightmap009
128 x 128 lightmap008
128 x 128 lightmap007
128 x 128 lightmap006
128 x 128 lightmap005
128 x 128 lightmap004
128 x 128 lightmap003
128 x 128 lightmap002
128 x 128 lightmap001
128 x 128 lightmap000
512 x 128 progs/invulner.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 128 progs/invulner.mdl:frame0
512 x 128 progs/quaddama.mdl:frame0
32 x 32 maps/b_batt1.bsp:batt1top
32 x 32 maps/b_batt1.bsp:batt0sid
16 x 16 maps/b_batt0.bsp:rockettop
32 x 32 maps/b_batt0.bsp:batt0top
32 x 32 maps/b_batt0.bsp:batt1sid
512 x 256 progs/g_light.mdl:frame0
512 x 128 progs/g_nail2.mdl:frame0
16 x 16 maps/b_shell1.bsp:rockettop
32 x 32 maps/b_shell1.bsp:shot1top_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_shell1.bsp:shot1top
32 x 32 maps/b_shell1.bsp:shot1sid_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_shell1.bsp:shot1sid
16 x 16 maps/b_rock0.bsp:rockettop
32 x 16 maps/b_rock0.bsp:rock0sid
16 x 16 maps/b_shell0.bsp:rockettop
32 x 32 maps/b_shell0.bsp:shot0top
32 x 32 maps/b_shell0.bsp:shot0sid
16 x 16 maps/b_nail0.bsp:rockettop
32 x 32 maps/b_nail0.bsp:nail0top
32 x 32 maps/b_nail0.bsp:nail0sid
16 x 16 maps/b_nail1.bsp:rockettop
32 x 32 maps/b_nail1.bsp:nail1top_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_nail1.bsp:nail1top
32 x 32 maps/b_nail1.bsp:nail1sid_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_nail1.bsp:nail1sid
16 x 16 maps/b_rock1.bsp:rockettop
32 x 16 maps/b_rock1.bsp:rock1sid
32 x 32 maps/b_bh10.bsp:med3_0_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh10.bsp:med3_0
32 x 16 maps/b_bh10.bsp:med3_1_glow
32 x 16 maps/b_bh10.bsp:med3_1
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+2_med100_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+2_med100
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+1_med100_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+1_med100
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+0_med100_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+0_med100
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:med100
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+3_med100_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh100.bsp:+3_med100
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+3_med25_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+3_med25
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+2_med25_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+2_med25
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+1_med25_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+1_med25
32 x 16 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+1_med25s_glow
32 x 16 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+1_med25s
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+0_med25_glow
32 x 32 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+0_med25
32 x 16 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+0_med25s_glow
32 x 16 maps/b_bh25.bsp:+0_med25s
256 x 256 progs/g_rock2.mdl:frame0
64 x 64 progs/s_explod.spr:frame5
64 x 64 progs/s_explod.spr:frame4
64 x 64 progs/s_explod.spr:frame3
64 x 64 progs/s_explod.spr:frame2
64 x 64 progs/s_explod.spr:frame1
64 x 64 progs/s_explod.spr:frame0
16 x 16 progs/s_bubble.spr:frame1
16 x 16 progs/s_bubble.spr:frame0
32 x 32 maps/dm3.bsp:z_exit_glow
32 x 32 maps/dm3.bsp:z_exit
16 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:plat_stem
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:plat_top1
64 x 16 maps/dm3.bsp:plat_side1
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tele_top
256 x 256 maps/dm3.bsp:*teleport_warp (R)
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:*teleport
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:ground1_7
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor3_2
32 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech02_7
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tech01_7
16 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_4
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech05_2
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor4_7
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech06_1
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_8
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_1
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_4
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor4_4_glow
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor4_4
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_7
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_3
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_6_glow
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_6
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_2
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:comp1_5
32 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight03_glow
32 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight03
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor4_1
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech03_2_glow
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech03_2
32 x 32 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight01_glow
32 x 32 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight01
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:ground1_2
32 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight09
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:emetal1_3
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor4_5
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:ground1_6
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:ecop1_4
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:ecop1_6
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tech01_2
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight02_glow
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight02
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tech01_6
256 x 256 maps/dm3.bsp:*water1_warp (R)
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:*water1
16 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_7
32 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech02_6
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech03_1
128 x 16 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_6
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tech01_1
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor4_8
128 x 16 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_1
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:sky4_front
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:sky4_back
16 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_8
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech06_2_glow
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech06_2
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech07_1
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:tech01_5
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech05_1
16 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_3
128 x 128 textures/sfloor4_2 (R)
64 x 64 maps/dm3.bsp:sfloor1_2
128 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tech07_2
32 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight08
32 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight07_glow
32 x 128 maps/dm3.bsp:tlight07
128 x 16 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_2
128 x 16 maps/dm3.bsp:tech04_5
128 x 64 progs/invisibl.mdl:frame0
256 x 256 progs/g_rock.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/armor.mdl:frame2
256 x 128 progs/armor.mdl:frame1
256 x 128 progs/armor.mdl:frame0
256 x 256 progs/g_shot.mdl:frame0
512 x 128 progs/g_nail.mdl:frame0
256 x 256 progs/h_demon.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/demon.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/w_spike.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/h_wizard.mdl:frame0
256 x 256 progs/wizard.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/h_ogre.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/ogre.mdl:frame0
128 x 64 progs/w_g_key.mdl:frame0
128 x 64 progs/h_zombie.mdl:frame0
256 x 256 progs/zombie.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/flame.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/flame.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/flame2.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/flame2.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_light.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/v_light.mdl:frame0
128 x 128 progs/zom_gib.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/backpack.mdl:frame0
128 x 32 progs/s_spike.mdl:frame0
128 x 32 progs/spike.mdl:frame0
64 x 64 progs/grenade.mdl:frame0_glow
64 x 64 progs/grenade.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/missile.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/missile.mdl:frame0
128 x 128 progs/lavaball.mdl:frame0_glow
128 x 128 progs/lavaball.mdl:frame0
512 x 64 progs/bolt3.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 64 progs/bolt3.mdl:frame0
512 x 64 progs/bolt2.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 64 progs/bolt2.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/bolt.mdl:frame0_glow
256 x 128 progs/bolt.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_rock2.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/v_rock2.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_nail2.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/v_nail2.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_shot2.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/v_shot2.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_rock.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/v_rock.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_nail.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/v_nail.mdl:frame0
256 x 256 progs/v_shot.mdl:frame0_glow
256 x 256 progs/v_shot.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/v_axe.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/gib3.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/gib2.mdl:frame0
128 x 128 progs/gib1.mdl:frame0
256 x 128 progs/h_player.mdl:frame0
256 x 32 progs/eyes.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 progs/player.mdl:frame0_glow
512 x 256 progs/player.mdl:frame0
512 x 256 gfx/conback.lmp
512 x 32 gfx.wad:scorebar
512 x 32 gfx.wad:ibar
512 x 32 gfx.wad:sbar
64 x 64 particle3
2 x 2 particle2
64 x 64 particle1
64 x 64 gfx.wad:backtile
128 x 128 gfx.wad:conchars
8 x 8 nul
8 x 8 ovr
8 x 16 ins
256 x 256 scrap1
256 x 256 scrap0
2 x 2 whitetexture
2 x 2 nulltexture
2 x 2 notexture
221 textures 5876836 pixels 22.4 megabytes
]copy

[Baker]

Downloading and we'll see what's going on with that.

I notice from the texture list that sfloor4_2_glow didn't get loaded because it isn't in the texture list.

As soon as it is downloaded, I'll find out why ...

[Baker]

Ok ... well you have the .exes from October in there and they are dated October 10 2014.

Try deleting those and replacing them with the ones from today.

http://quakeone.com/proquake/interim...4c_windows.zip

And let me know if that fixes it. I'm hoping it does! I used the current exes and it loads fine.

[adib]

Solved!



Mark V last build now renders external fullbright maps for textures, using the same name convention as Darkplaces. Also, TGA textures with alpha channel are rendered with transparency if their names start with "{".

Thanks to Baker for the support. Now, let's map.

[Baker]

Thanks to Baker for the support. Now, let's map.

My thanks to you, you got me to debug Mark V December Beta and it is maybe within a week or 2 of being a properly polished engine.

I hope you make a great map