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[rambo]

wow why all the classic ctf love. there wasnt a mention of it until a few players recently.

[cd57]

Rambo, nothing wrong with throwing it on classic mode and playing a bunch of games. I kind of miss the runes as well. They were a staple of the old threewave days, until the newer players started playing with them off.

[rambo]

Servers like Teamplay, Jurrasic, Erols, HatingS, ClanHDZ, etc used the CRCTF mod.
So a lot of players get confused about CRCTF and 3wave ctf since both mods share the core ctf code by Zoid, and the custom maps, models, and sounds of 3wave.

Juassic was my spot.

[R00k]

True, the old classic mode was built in the manner of FFA. Zoid originally made a deathmatch FFA mod, that offered the 4 runes, and a hook. He later got the idea to make a sub-gamemode of CTF on his custom server. It was so popular that he rebuilt his server-mod solely to accommodate CTF. Thus Quake1 CTF was born. As clans were becoming popular, and the 'clanring' (a webring ) organized scheduled matches, a new mod was created by these guys: John Bock (Disciple)/Steven Possehl (Marmot)/Joel Baxter (Lemurboy)/Chris Thielen (Someone). Servers like HATING, AnyComp, MTown, Intertex, Admor, etc all used the original Zoid (3wave) CTF, all tweaked in someway to make each server unique. Servers like Teamplay, Jurrasic, Erols, HatingS, ClanHDZ, etc used the CRCTF mod.
So a lot of players get confused about CRCTF and 3wave ctf since both mods share the core ctf code by Zoid, and the custom maps, models, and sounds of 3wave.

[rambo]

but if you notice on the servers used no admin takes the time to bother to configure classic mode map rotation. Why? Cause no one usually uses it. Idk why there is a big stink about wanting to use classic mode lately. I know mindz wants runes, but usually the only one throwing it into classic mode is Armorattak. Prior to him coming back to ctf 2-3 months ago, no one (atleast that I seen) put the servers on classic mode. I think match mode provides a more fair enviroment then classic. (understandably its still unfair usually no matter which way) but timed starts makes sure everyones ready to go and no "head starts."

[R00k]

But stop catering..its pathetic.. Also the map rotation on classic is f**ked. Im not playing ctf on all these off shoot id maps... e4m3 is fine, but ctf on orge citadel or some crap makes no sense.

Ogre Citadel rocks for one on one.
Honestly, ever since version 1.0 of CRCTF there's been "scrim" classic mode.

Title : ClanRing CTF Home Server
Filename : crctf28.zip
Version : 2.8D
Date : 1/21/98

Description of the Modification
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This meant to be a "Clanring CTF Home Server", a
server that was meant to be run on non-clanring servers, but
could be used as a Clanring server when needed. This mod is
designed to work as a standard CTF server 70% of the time, and
a clanring CTF server 30% of the time.

The Clanring CTF Home server gives clans an enhanced way to play matches, a rally timer for even starts, enhanced stats and scoring and easily
accessible server settings with a simple 4 digit admin code. It can also function as a regular Threewav CTF4 server in skirmish mode while giving
the ability for players to warp to any level they choose. Most servers will prolly be set to run in skirmish mode on the servers public port and in
Clanring mode on the private port.

You have just evolved past that type of gameplay. Newbs need the instant gratification of being able to compete. Vets can still stomp a newb that has Quad, or any rune. But it allows them to do more than spawn, hook for 12 seconds and die.
The core difference between match and scrimmage mode, is the set timer.
MAtch = start and end by time, disallowing anyone to join during the game with an unlimited score.
Scrim(classic) = start playing when the map loads, or a player connects. Connecting players are forced to the losing team or if score is even then the team with less players. The game ends at 150points, or 30 minute time.
I'm surprised, in MATCH mode we dont have TEAMDAMAGE. Invulnerability to teammates is newbified from day one.
As for map rotation, and all the other settings for classic mode, it's all configurable by the admin. He can setrunes off, choose what maps to be loaded, pretty much everything.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I am amazed at you Rambo, srsly brah.I don't understand how you can enjoy CTF and at the same time,be so selfish that you create a limiting barrier between a true REVIVAL of CTF.

when you mentioned how you'd rather hook an empty server than play with classic mode / 4 rune,I laughed.

Yes, threewave has that type of grapple. Threewave is fun. I even enjoyed playing ctf with the keyflags and the grapple-axe on id maps. You should get back into it. Ive never had as much fun playing a video game than when I played Quake ctf back in 97-99.

Hating CTF ,Porky's Revenge

[sb306]

I know a little off topic, been YEARS since I've played CTF, might get into it again.
Does the CTF version you are referring to use a grappling hook that looks like a "MorningStar"?

Yes, threewave has that type of grapple. Threewave is fun. I even enjoyed playing ctf with the keyflags and the grapple-axe on id maps. You should get back into it. Ive never had as much fun playing a video game than when I played Quake ctf back in 97-99.

[sb306]

then play classic..i refuse to. i'd rather grapple a empty server then play classic mode or with runes. As far as runes and newbs, if you really need runes, join a newer game.

Wow. Well your lucky. There are alot of totally empty servers out there. haha

Most of us that play now all learned to play without runes, newbs should too.

Back when I was a HPB I needed black magic or quad to get the LPBs. But now everyone still have better pings than me, but on top of that, I havent played regularly for about 11 years. So I get my ass kicked regardless of pings. But will play with or without runes.

But stop catering..its pathetic.. Also the map rotation on classic is f**ked. Im not playing ctf on all these off shoot id maps.

I always enjoyed the id maps. But am not picky and will play on whatever I can.

The biatching about the maps is not as bad as what it used to be, Also sick of people crying about the same maps, atleast we have a stable of 6 or 7 maps unlike ca that uses 1. Be happy with that. anyways enough of this crap, see you on zero.

Wow
And this is why the ctf community will never grow, but just get smaller.

All I mentioned was having unlocked servers. I just play runequake because its unlocked. Ive always enjoyed ctf much more than dm. whether im getting my ass kicked or not. I like having the 4 standard runes with ctf. But to be honest, runequake is annoying with the 100 or so runes thery use. Ill play wherever I can if its ctf, regardless of maps or runes.

[LambentHammerBurst]

I know a little off topic, been YEARS since I've played CTF, might get into it again.
Does the CTF version you are referring to use a grappling hook that looks like a "MorningStar"?

[rambo]

then play classic..i refuse to. i'd rather grapple a empty server then play classic mode or with runes. your right there isnt many people left but but 2-2's are fine with me even the 3-3's are good. Sometimes we even get 4-4's. As far as runes and newbs, if you really need runes, join a newer game. Most of us that play now all learned to play without runes, newbs should too. I know not everyone sees it that way, and we should be lucky we get new players and so on. But stop catering..its pathetic.. Also the map rotation on classic is f**ked. Im not playing ctf on all these off shoot id maps... e4m3 is fine, but ctf on orge citadel or some crap makes no sense. The biatching about the maps is not as bad as what it used to be, i think that departments definitley improved. Also sick of people crying about the same maps, atleast we have a stable of 6 or 7 maps unlike ca that uses 1. Be happy with that. anyways enough of this crap, see you on zero.

[R00k]

I personally dont mind Classic mode CTF.
1.> Games go faster, ie if a team reaches >150 points before 20 minutes, end of game.
2.> Map rotation is automatic, no more arguing about what map to play next.
3.> More players are playing because they dont have to wait.
4.> Runes give newbs a chance if they cant find Quad, or a gun.
5.> I like joining the losing team mid game and bringing home the bacon!

[Mindf!3ldzX]

It matters to us all. Quake is whatever we're making of it.

[sb306]

^^^
Well, as I said. To me its just a game. I would rather have everyone join who would like to rather than get pissed because its 3 on 2. The game is 14 years old now. I would think people would just be happy that their fellow Quakers would like to play along with them. There arent many of us left. A new game would be different, and I would expect teams to be even. But doing a check with DP for the Quakeworld servers out of a possible 4762 players, there were 6 people online (probably bots)When I was younger I could dedicate a whole evening to playing. But we grow up. Atleast some of us do.

But I dont have a server so it doesnt really matter how I see it.

[rambo]

also rune quake might be a better alternative, cause no one would like a perfectly good 2-2 to be ruined by you joining. just saying. not you personally, and also not trying to be a dick. im all about fair lineups. uneven teams is never fair, for example 3-2's should never exsist. most likely because the people on the "2" team are probably better and therefore should be seperated. also unlock is a option in match mode if the 4 people playing decide they would like you to join.