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    Hi everyone,

    This isn't Quake releted but I could do with some helpful suggestions on what video card to buy in order for my kids to play Sims 3 on their computer.

    At present they have have an old P4 with an Intel D845PEBT2 motherboard, 2Gb Ram, 5 x PCI + 1 x AGP 2x/4x, and Windows XP / Windows 2003 server (dual booted), and a fairly standard 19inch tft vga monitor.

    The Sims 3 requirements seem to be as follows:

    •2.0 GHz P4 processor or equivalent
    •1 GB RAM
    •128 MB Video Card with support for Pixel Shader 2.0 (?)
    •The latest version of DirectX 9.0c
    •Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2
    •At least 6.1 GB of hard drive space with at least 1 GB of additional space for custom content and saved games

    I've been building Office PC deployments, Servers, VM's, and networks for the best part of 20 years but strangely never really dipped my toe in the world of building gaming machines. As Quake has run on every system I've ever owned I've never really had the need, until now.
    The kids have been driving me crazy trying to get this thing working and I'm willing to spend a little cash to try and do something nice for them, but can any graphics boffins or gaming hardware experts give me a few pointers on which "middle of the road " card I need?

    Kind regards

    Monty

    ...Waits patiently for Polarite, Peg and Foq...
    Last edited by Mr.Burns; 02-13-2011, 07:50 AM.
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  • #2
    Cheap Video

    Nvidia 7800 GS is the fastest agp Nvidia made.

    May be hard to find
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    • #3
      even though your running XP and the game in question is requiring XP...

      Vista/DX10 support XP/DX9 support
      Last edited by Mindf!3ldzX; 02-13-2011, 09:46 AM.
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      • #4
        scan.co.uk only has a 6200 in stock, which is utter trash. ebuyer wasn't much better.

        256MB nVIDIA GeForce 6800 ultra AGP video graphics card on eBay (end time 23-Feb-11 16:08:27 GMT)

        If you don't mind buying from ebay, this looks decent. I had a 6800XT once, it was good enough to handle BF2 without lag.
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        • #5
          Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated

          Just a couple of follow up questions:
          It certainly looks powerful enough but will the AGP 8x 6800 card work in a AGP 2x/4x board such as this?

          Does the Radeon 3650 support the Pixel Shader requirement? and will this AGP 8x card work in a 4x slot?
          Last edited by Mr.Burns; 02-14-2011, 03:33 AM.
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          • #6
            the 6800 and 3650 is 8x lanes , as agp is backward compatible, so 8x cards work on 4x slots.


            the 3650 has support for Shader Model 4.1 , the 6800 has support for Shader Model 3.0

            Here is a quick comparison Video Card Comparison - GPUReview.com , the 6800 is a good card ,but the 3650 is better in my opinion due to DX10 and SM4.1 support (but, Vista required for DX10)
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            • #7
              Could he run this?

              Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GV-R465D2-1GI Radeon HD 4650 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 8X HDCP Ready Video Card


              320 pipes 128bit
              He may have better drivers with the 4 series card.
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              • #8
                Speaking of this:
                I'm using a Intel Core 2 6400 (2.14ghtz) and running a x1600 Silent, have 2.5gb of RAM.
                The PC was FREE which was great as I was without a PC that could run anything more than HL1 on low - due to my custom built PC's power supply blowing and well....yeah...

                From what I have now though - which should I upgrade first?
                Get up to 4gb of RAM (I do know it will only use 3.5gb as Im on XP - but I pair my RAM)
                The RAM is what it came with, so it's cheap RAM.
                Or
                Upgrade the Graphics Card?

                I tend to run only at about 15-20FPS (on normal areas - drop to 5 on some areas) on max in Darkplaces - I want to get it to at least 40+

                What would be the better initial investment? I plan on getting both but cash is tight.

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                • #9
                  AGP 8x should work on that mobo , the geforce 6800 and GeForce 7800 is a good card.
                  If u can find a geforce 7950gt/ ati HD4650 or a HD4670 , that would be good if the P4 is atleast a 3ghz cpu any lower then that would be bottleneck.
                  Your P4 is a 2ghz ?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bluntz View Post
                    Could he run this?

                    Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GV-R465D2-1GI Radeon HD 4650 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 8X HDCP Ready Video Card


                    320 pipes 128bit
                    He may have better drivers with the 4 series card.
                    He can run that video card,long as his power supply has a 6pin power connecter or buys an adapter like this....and the powersupply puts out enough wattage,which usually isn't the case

                    Modern GPU's need higher demands in every aspect, including powersupply,cpu,memory,and the ability to incorporate the newer bells and whistles,which is Vista/DX10 and Win7/DX11 ,which just adds another detail to factor in.breaks

                    Single core 2ghz 1gb might be ok on Vista, I dont know I never used it.
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                    • #11
                      The cpu will prolly need upgraded...I have a P4 2.66 that will fit your mobo laying around if you want it pm me and you can have it
                      The "pentium 2 or equivalent" part smells of celeron droppings.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ooppee View Post
                        Speaking of this:
                        I'm using a Intel Core 2 6400 (2.14ghtz) and running a x1600 Silent, have 2.5gb of RAM.
                        The PC was FREE


                        but cash is tight.
                        Ram I'd say , I would also look at OC'ing
                        Some folks have gotten some insane speeds from core 2's.
                        Im no fan of ATI so if it were mine I'd get one of the Nvidia GTS 250 + Even though the ATI hardware looks better on paper its a matter of taste i suppose.
                        http://compare.ebay.com/like/3902865...=263602_304662

                        But Hey Who can compete with FREE?
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                        • #13
                          just before you OC , get a good aftermarket HSF to garuntee low temperatures. Although I am total NEWB at Intel, as I havent been in that camp for awhile. AMD ftw !
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                          • #14
                            Agreed
                            I prefer Zalman
                            http://www.compuplus.com/Processors/...D-1014133.html
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mr.Burns View Post
                              Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated

                              Just a couple of follow up questions:
                              It certainly looks powerful enough but will the AGP 8x 6800 card work in a AGP 2x/4x board such as this?

                              Does the Radeon 3650 support the Pixel Shader requirement? and will this AGP 8x card work in a 4x slot?
                              Most AGP 8x cards are backwards compatable with 4x, and since your board has a 2x/4x slot, it ought to work
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