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  • #31
    WOW! That was epic Nahuel! You are so smart, bro.

    @(maybe related to a lack of ability to socialize with women)

    This is what I thought when he first started with all this "raping kids" stuff. My thoughts were a bit more elaborate though.

    Does this dude actually think an immature girl is somehow less of a bitch than a fully grown woman? Does this dude (due to a lack of esteem or other issues) somehow believe that a young girl would be easier to control and in that, is he so afraid of an equal that control is the only way he can pretend to be a man? Does this guy somehow believe that young girls do not ever grow up to be the alleged bitches that he despises? How fucked up do you have to be to desire a partner that lacks everything (experience, knowledge, achievement....more). It can probably be assumed that this guy is a chronic masturbator. The main relationship he has ever had was with his hand and his desire is to find an entire human to exactly replace his hand. In his warped view a child could be controlled like his hand. He absolutely fears a "hand" that cannot be controlled. A real woman is a "bitch" because he would have to face and accept that it is not all about him. He would also have to face and accept that mostly he has nothing to offer a real woman and probably perceives a child as something that he needs no offerings for. This dude is his own bitch. He can't make societal norms work for him so he attempts to validate an alternate way using the most convoluted book on the planet. It's ironic he holds so fast to his Deuteronomy while breaking a bunch of commandments in the same book.

    Hey, dipshit! ~
    America is your neighbor! (love thy neighbor), You also bear false witness, steal and your entire thing is about making graven images. God hates you, bro. You are probably from the seed of Cain which is why you can't make a mother fucking thing grow. All of your efforts whither and die. The harder you try to harvest, the more dead things you reap. You are teeming with skill but even your tools break at your touch. God hates you.

    edit: I definitely believe in God. I definitely don't believe in the bible. Neither god or Yesha/Yeshua/Yahushua/Jesus/Jahova/YHWH* played any part in the creation of the bible. Man compiled the bible from numerous ancient texts. Whether a book was included was determined if MAN decided the book was inspired by god. The bible was also created to be a "one world" belief system so Constantine could better control his people under one common law. To me, the bible is a history book, at best. You either know god or you don't and I don't see where any book is going to change that anywhere other than your mind. As Nahuel said "The laws of god will be written on the hearts of man". This is because those laws probably aren't written anywhere else! I could create 100 books and 100 Gods and not one of you could prove without any doubt and solid evidence that the books are false. If something is unverifiable you throw it away and find a more definitive method to get your answers. In that, it doesn't matter if the bible is true or false cause you should use some other more substantive method to determine your facts.

    *What is our saviors name? It doesn't seem to be in THE BIBLE but I bet you're praying to something. I'm sure it's "close enough" cause we all know "close enough" and God are synonymous ("go ye and sin NO more", "NO sin shall enter the kingdom of heaven", "NO gods shall come before me") Yeaaah, totally a "close enough" God we have.[sarc off]. Honestly I am almost afraid to acknowledge we even have a savior cause how the hell do you know who he is/was? "Jesus" could be the greatest trick that has ever been played on you. All Satan has to do is misdirect you. That's it. All you have to do is think you are on the right path while you are not and you are fucked. All Satan has to do is make sure you don't get to heaven which is apparently very hard to get into in the first place. He has ?thousands, ?millions, ?billions of years of knowledge and skill. You are like a stupid bug in comparison. You will fly straight into the light that burns you up claiming it's heaven til the end and gripping the bible the entire way. What if the ONLY thing "The Adversary" ever had to do was change one name in the bible? The one name that will save you to a name that will not. You can pray to Spanish Jesse all day. I don't think Spanish Jesse can save you. Spanish Jesse probably has his own problems. Especially if he participated in DACA.
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    • #32
      I agree with his metaphor about hand and control. It's very true, very elaborate that metaphor. All men over 25, we know that the best sex is with experienced women, hahahaha. Around 30 (women) they reach their best state, I don't want to be rude, but that's a reality.
      Crazy theories about the world and women of this kind are not about sex or anything like that. It's just a psychopathic and destructive attitude. Perhaps this destructive and terrible attitude is a reflection of something he himself has suffered in his childhood. We don't know, or maybe he's just an internet psychopath (before the internet, we didn't know that there were sooo many people with shit on their minds).
      But since we don't know anything about him, we need to be more empathetic after all. He's talking about a horrendous crime in society like something "natural", obviously he's sick. I hope that if those thoughts he has, or those destructive ideas, were caused by some childhood trauma, he will find professional help to delete them. To change their concepts for something more positive and less destructive to society and people. And transform his life into something better, without without harming people.
      Unfortunately, if he's a psychopath he probably never changes, there's no remedy for his mind. Or maybe he is just trolling, if he is just a troll, he can change. We do not know.
      Have a nice day, everybody.

      MadGypsy
      I definitely like to share and read opinions about the sacred (especially the scriptures) with you. But this thread is about 72 FPS!



      Last edited by nahuel; 10-20-2017, 12:05 PM.
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      • #33
        Oh hey, what's going on in this thr-

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        • #34
          @This thread is about 72 FPS

          No it's not. LOL, this thread hasn't been about that in like 20 posts. I hear ya though. I have a more organic view. With the exception of someone's project thread, threads are about whatever people are talking about in it.
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          • #35
            Madgipsy, you've made some very interesting points. You're right, the thread is already off topic, and this forum is very free, and that's great.
            Regarding the validity of the Bible, well, look. If you are not Christian (in the sense of following a more or less established religion) you may or may not believe in the validity of the Bible. I have read numerous historical points of view regarding Constantine and him militia templi, the difficulty of compilation, the various translations, apocryphal stuff, etc.... Theories, some denying others. In short, I've even read versions of the Bible that deny each other in small sentences. Or there are books that some consider "divines" and some do not.
            This issue is very complex to encompass, and I sincerely believe that no specialist can have 100% historical security in this regard.
            Are these conflicting views new? Not at all. There have always been various ramifications, even within Christianity. Even in the Bible itself it is mentioned that Christianity in its beginnings (after the crucifixion) was divided. And Roman Catholicism never had any historical hegemony over Christianity, and Luther's reform was not "new"either, but because of its political impact.
            So these religious discussions are very old. As old as Christianity.
            Imho, Christian religious systems came after Christ only to formalize under some institution particular interpretations of the teachings of Jesus -and his followers-. Because we well know that Jesus never taught anything like a religion, he gave moral teachings and gave the revolutionary message about Judaism, peace, love etc...
            SO, is religion something useless or false? not at all. I believe that religion well assimilated by a person is totally positive for his development. Well-assimilated religious practice gives to the person greater emotional intelligence, a greater degree of happiness and cooperativism because a religious practice is a social practice. The human learns by imitation, and if a religion gives a strong moral basis for a society, about good behaviour and solidarity, the value of work, peace, etc... that society will be much better, healthier and perhaps develop in a more beneficial way for humanity. This has not necessarily happened in many "Christian"countries, which are waging wars or giving excessive worship to materialism, leaving their own nation dissatisfied with that same empty materialism. Is this new? Not at all, this has happened since the Holy Roman Empire. Is it all the fault of Christianity? There have been wars imposing any kind of religion, all over the world. From Christianity to Buddhism. But is not the fault of religion, but of a political use of religion. Non-religious countries have behaved the same or even worse (USSR for example). And that same look about warfare has been used to impose political systems, which are actually economic systems.
            It has been said that religion is used as a weapon for control, and I say that right now control is not given so much by religion as by the media. The media manipulate the social mind with more power than the religious institutes.
            The media is saying us 24/7 : "Eat this food, have sex, travel to this place, look handsome, fill your life with stimulus. Consume."
            After making dreams for people, after imposing those desires, the media says:"haven't you fulfilled those dreams? "if you work more, you can get them."
            And the media also needs you to be as unhappy as possible for those materialistic dreams to impact you in a better way:"You are ugly, you are fat, your wife or girlfriend is ugly, you have no money, you are not young, a dictator of a distant country wants to launch a nuclear bomb in your country, if you go out there will be terrorists who want to kill you, we are near the end of the world" etc...
            What's the way out of this? The old religion gave us other perspectives, another morality that if is well assimilated, taken with humanity, without judging others, and above all - without falling into the political trap - could be really useful for the people. To know that all the media, all the propaganda is useless and really harmful. Beyond the multiple biblical interpretations and problems of hexegysis, the morality of Jesus, and his temperance with regard to life, his asceticism and his faraway worship of material life can give us great help.
            But right now religion is an individual decision, to be christian right now is to be against the world scene. And the world scene, in my opinion, is not something good.
            Last edited by nahuel; 10-22-2017, 12:46 AM.
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            • #36
              That was all very well put. This is my take.


              ::Thoughts where "you" does not equal YOU::

              So, you want to follow the Bible. OK, you probably are not going to just pick it up and decipher the whole thing so you choose a religion. Are you going to choose the religion that tells you you need to repent your sins to God, be baptised, receive the holy ghost and spend the rest of every minute for God? Or the religion where you confess your sins to a man and mindlessly repeat heartless prayers for forgiveness while the holy ghost is more or less overlooked and Mary is considered the queen of heaven. Or will you choose the religion that acknowledges baptism and repentance but more or less overlooks the holy ghost? Will you choose the church with no statues and stained glass because they are idols or will you choose a church filled with that stuff because it's not idols but "a source of rememberable". Will you acknowledge that all Christian religions bow to the pope even though the various Christian religions fundamentally believe different things...have different interpretations of supposedly the same God...generally do not believe that the other Christian religions have the truth?

              My point is, the only thing the Bible accomplishes in most cases is to compel you to "choose a side" even though we are all supposedly on the same one. There are numerous flavors that claim they have God but there is only one God and no Bible seems to define God as something that is willing to accept numerous interpretations of his plan so, If at least 1 christian religion has the truth none of the others do. Which one is the right one? Are you willing to go to hell on a bad guess?

              The alternative is to personally seek a relationship directly with God. You do not need a Bible or a church for this. The things put in your heart will be put there directly by God...not man...not man books.

              Honestly, out of everything I said what method do you think has the greatest chance for success? Going to man for God...or going directly to God.

              Also, IMO, it is obvious there is no God in religion because we have a handful of religions claiming to honor the same God and none of them agree. This is a great confusion and confusion is the Devil's tool. If any of these religions had God they would all have God because God would make sure of it. He would preserve his plan in ONE flavor. This is not the case. God's plan and message is reinterpreted 100 times over and NOBODY can claim the truth with any precision or undeniability. Also, to believe God is in religion is basically to believe that God is a huge asshole (stay with me). We've established that Christian religions fundamentally believe different things which means that all but one (at best) are going to get you straight to hell. So, if God is truly in religion then God basically believes "Come and find me and GOOD FUCKING LUCK. I made it as hard as possible and a large portion of you are going to choose wrong."

              This does not gel with the God that sent his only son to die so ALL men may be saved, the God that wants ALL to join him in heaven. There is only one place to find God...your heart. No religion is going to put him there.

              Other things to consider.

              Keep the Sabbath holy...the pope changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and ALL denominations (except 7 day Adventists) honor that. This is amazing to me. How does anyone come up with the balls to change the Sabbath to a pagan day of worship SUN day?

              The Bible states that there are certain feasts we are to celebrate. No church that I am aware of celebrates these feasts EXCEPT for Catholics which celebrate all the pagan feasts..

              What christian religion does NOT celebrate Easter? Easter is the pagan mask for resurrection day. Yet every church I have ever been to celebrates Eustoria (Easter) the pagan goddess of fertility...with all their eggs and bunnies (symbols of fertility). So, "my church", the one that is supposed to get me closer to God can't even properly acknowledge the day our savior rose again?

              What about Christmas? It specifically states in the Bible to NOT bring trees in your house and adorn them. I've seen Christmas trees IN church. Am I to follow a religion that can't even follow it's own guide book? Which religion doesn't fail miserably at doing EVERYTHING it's book says?

              Meh....I could keep going and going but, I need to get ready for work. Just know I am aware that much of this is my opinion. I understand I may be wrong. Maybe God is as big of a mess as the religions that claim to follow him and if so, then maybe any half-cocked religion will get you to heaven. It's simply impossible for me to believe this. And if no half-cocked religion will get you to heaven then NO religion will get you to heaven. Their confusing book of endless interpretation will not be much help either.
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              • #37
                If we can understand all these problems among division of Christians, imagine that God can also understand them perfectly.
                Religion is created by rules and beliefs that are made by men. And those rules obey the social needs of each group. Only the Jewish law said things like "if you are not of this religious tradition you go to hell". Jesus' teachings speak of a different thing, in my opinion.
                I sincerely believe that every religion is a cultural way of interpreting something that is beyond the reach of the humanly understandable. Some rules are created, with interpretations of what is right, added to some rules and festivities specific to each culture -inherited- of paganism.
                The idea of personal religion is very valid in terms of level of reasoning and belongs to the intimate jurisdiction of each person, but I sincerely believe that institutional religion manages to put two different people in the same moral, in the same search, in the same system of rules, generating in the person a feeling of cooperativism and solidarity, something very necessary in this world where everything is reduced to individualism. Excessive individualism is what causes people to be less empathetic, to be moving away from each other. On the verge of countries like Sweden, the state will check to see if people died alone in their homes, because they don't even talk to their family members.

                I am sure that if you have all those questions and ask them to some learned religionist, this person will have all those answers. Obviously if I ask you about something, I know first of all that I don't know the answer beforehand. I speak of any religion, from a Catholic to a Jehová witness (the jehová witnesses say that their religion is the only true one for example). Perhaps the great problem of Christianity is that position you point out that "only my religion is valid and the others are false". That stance denies Jesus' great commandment not to judge others, because only God can judge other people. If someone says "my religion is the real one, the others are all going to hell" he is judging everyone when he doesn't have the authority to do so. What a person could do best - I think - is try to find their way on their own. I am skeptical of the individualistic version because it is too simple a path, in which one may not have the opportunity to shrink one's ego, does not have the opportunity to share with others.
                But it's just my views:
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                • #38
                  You know the funny thing, Nahuel? I have no desire to prove I am right or you are wrong. You are an intelligent man and I like to believe that no matter what you believe or how you go about your relationship with God that you are equipped with the tools necessary to preserve your soul. My beliefs and methods are that of a cynic. In my view, to be anything but cynical regarding everyone's profession of the truth is foolish. My soul is at stake. Am I really to roll the dice and hope that the man I choose to lead me knows anything at all... much less the truth? Am I to lean on my understanding of the Bible in the stead of choosing a religion? Who on the face of this entire planet (including yourself) can you to turn to for undeniable truth? If it isn't undeniable truth how can it be called truth, at all?
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                  • #39
                    It is that I really think that truth cannot be reached by men, the only truth achievable through logic is scientific truth, and those scientific truths are temporary, so belief in God is reduced to a matter of faith. And with the right faith every religious will tell you that their religion is the right one.
                    Nothing in this world seems to be stable, even words change meaning. The panorama in my opinion is chaotic. So what I try to understand, then, is the religious function beyond the apparent, beyond the practices of religion, beyond its rules. All of them talk about being peaceful, and kind to people. And religion also fulfills a social function, perhaps the way God judges us is to see how we behave towards others. For the followers of Jesus the most important commandment is to love your neighbor.
                    I also don't know if you are wrong about your soul, I can't, I don't have the authority to know about you or anyone else. I'm just trying to get an overview of these religious problems, and relate them to today's social problems, the world problems nowadays. Understand why there are people who claim to love God and in turn kill other people for that "reason", many Muslims, for example, accuse the ISIS of being false Muslims. And we know that the interest of these extremist groups is not religious but political, and deep down, the reason is economic.

                    I believe above all else that we are imperfect, or at least our mind is working imperfectly. So aspiring to the truth is something that is humanly impossible. Faith is the tool used by religious and I think it is totally valid as long as it does the individual good, but faith is not fanaticism that causes some people to forget the important rules of love and solidarity with others. Because fanaticism (in my opinion) is nothing more than a total lack of faith.
                    In short, it is a complex subject and everyone has their own points of view, and I am sure that no matter how much these differences are human and small, at some point - perhaps beyond this lifetime - we will be able to see these reasoning from another place with more understanding, and perhaps we will see these Internet chats as the talk of two elementary school students talking about quantum physics.
                    Have a nice day.
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                    • #40
                      My message is not "forget the Bible and religion". My message is "find a better way. Find a way where your faith is based on undeniable truths instead of hopes and the hope of hope."

                      My method/message puts YOU in control of your relationship with God. It makes you entirely responsible for your self. No books, dogmas or groups to hope and wish upon. Your "faith" is based on a direct relationship with God and everything you believe and do comes directly from God. Your faith isn't blind, it is cemented in you by the Most High personally.

                      Do you believe that anything you believe is better than the way I stated above? Will church, religion and/or man give you better info than God? If you can agree that NOBODY and NOTHING can lead you better than God... NOTHING and NOBODY can give you something to base your faith upon that is more solid than what God can give... If you can agree with these things then why would you gamble your soul on anything other than a direct relationship with God?

                      The word Christian means "Christ-like". Show me how your method to know God is the same as Christ's.

                      Please note that I am trying with the best words I have to NOT be confrontational or disregard your beliefs. However, I am a competitor and it's very hard for me to not be that. If I have said anything here that seems like I am disregarding or disrespecting your beliefs please know that is not at all the spirit of my words. I actually have the utmost respect for your words and find them very powerful.
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                      • #41
                        I believe that relationships with other people are a good, practical way to live with other people under a system of ideals. Religion gives that tool to people, it gives cohesion to the group so that it strengthens itself. If you tell me what's better? Both the solitary and the way of living in community with the teachings have been used by many people to encounter their purest religiousness. But at my own discretion, I choose the community.
                        Or perhaps it is something variable, at some point you need to find that lonely path and put into practice what you learned in community. You can be in the bosom of a religion and assimilate its beliefs, but you can have nuances in religious practice and even in your beliefs (without contradicting the bases, of course).
                        The theme of imitiatio christi as a concept is very rich and interesting.
                        I fully agree with Jung's remarks in the introduction of "psychology and alchemy" and his remarks on this subject. But I think that perhaps he exaggerates too much, or the Western Christian religious situation today is very different from the one he experienced.
                        Don't worry my friend, we are simply sharing opinions and I believe that ultimately every debate is useful - even if we do not agree with anything - to sort out ideas and thoughts.
                        Have a nice day
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                        • #42
                          These last two posts are why you guys are my best buds on this site. I love it. We are all brutally honest, and none of us is able to offend the other. Rock on fellas.

                          ...should we start that biker gang now, or what?
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                          • #43
                            @biker gang

                            I have a ten speed with a skull sticker on it and I don't wear a helmet. So, yes, I am ready to join your gang.

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                            • #44
                              Sweet chopper! Good, helmets are for nerds.
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                              • #45
                                I am on it guys
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