what the fuck

[Baker]

There is quite a bit more ...

Accelerating universe? Not so fast | EurekAlert! Science News
Quasar outburst revises understanding of universe, quasars | Newsroom | Washington University in St. Louis

The key theme is we don't know as much as we think we know. Some of these curveballs are the opposite of what was expected and many of the other curveballs mean our assumptions about making measurements might be false ...

Which is bad because if our methods of measuring age and distance ourside our own galaxy is in error, it means a lot of measurements need re-evaluated.

Perhaps more approachable is the Great Attractor

An unknown force is pulling the Milky Way and all else towards it at 14 million mph - Telegraph

According to the ideas behind the Big Bang, there shouldn't be a Big Attractor, everything is supposed to be rather uniform in distribution.

The Great Attractor is not a new discovery, it has been known for a very long time, but we analyze things far better than ever before.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Videos and models of the Big Bang are great.

But when telescopes in Brazil are taking pictures of galaxies half a billion years older than the Big Bang, what do you say?



I'm not saying the Big Bang is wrong.

But in the last 3-4 years most of the astronomy news has been raising some interesting questions.

And then you have this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1002082311.htm

good read!

[Baker]

read: The Big Bang Model

Videos and models of the Big Bang are great.

But when telescopes in Brazil are taking pictures of galaxies half a billion years older than the Big Bang, what do you say?

When telescopes are taking pictures of very old galaxies that are 13.4 billion light years away (which means the light took that long to get here) --- and the galaxies look fully formed like the Milky Way which is supposed to take billions of years, what do you say?

When they discover super-structures that would take 10s of billions of years to form -- and there hasn't been that much time according to the Big Bang Theory, what do you say?

When the claim of discovering graviton waves has to be retracted and possibly the data from the mistaken observation is proof against graviton waves, what do you say?

I'm not saying the Big Bang is wrong.

But in the last 3-4 years most of the astronomy news has been raising some interesting questions.

And then you have this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1002082311.htm

[MadGypsy]

I have to admit that my time here is much more enjoyable NOT having an opinion on the things Baker says. I agree with a number of things he said here, though. Of course I disagree with some of it, as well. I don't feel compelled to be specific either way.

It's been entertaining.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

It's been to Baker's inferno I wonder if science felt the heat all the way from here.

[MadGypsy]

O.O This thread has been everywhere except Dante's inferno and Meditation.

[nahuel]

I think the civilization did born because primitive man did smoke weed

[Mindf!3ldzX]

The average guy doesn't know the finer points of philosophy. And he's never going to.

Humans are lazy and don't want to think for themselves, and prefer to jump on bandwagons rather then exercise independent thought.

I don't like science as a religion, because the masses don't know what science is and then trying to turn things like Big Bang Theory and evolution into their God. The masses don't understand things like science because science is opposite of human nature, so you just end up with religions like Cults of Global Warming, Humanists, and such --- and want to dumb down science to their level saying "Proof? What's that! Consensus!!" or thinking science "proves things" -- which science doesn't do, but rather explains things through a preponderance of evidence. Or thinking science is beyond question (no that's religion!).

The science behind evolution is awesome, but only explains gradual changes over time.

Big Bang Theory is like swiss cheese and some scientists predict it as one of the most likely current assumptions to be proved wrong in the 50 years. They keep making more precise telescopes and look at galaxies very far away and should find young galaxies and instead find old ones.

It might be the modern day version of the Geocentric model.

read: The Big Bang Model

or

watch:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbBjNiw4tk[/ame]

higgs boson'd

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcHz3o4t6Rk[/ame]

[Baker]

I still think that religion is outdated and pointless.

The average guy doesn't know the finer points of philosophy. And he's never going to.

Humans are lazy and don't want to think for themselves, and prefer to jump on bandwagons rather then exercise independent thought.

I don't like science as a religion, because the masses don't know what science is and then trying to turn things like Big Bang Theory and evolution into their God. The masses don't understand things like science because science is opposite of human nature, so you just end up with religions like Cults of Global Warming, Humanists, and such --- and want to dumb down science to their level saying "Proof? What's that! Consensus!!" or thinking science "proves things" -- which science doesn't do, but rather explains things through a preponderance of evidence. Or thinking science is beyond question (no that's religion!).

The science behind evolution is awesome, but only explains gradual changes over time.

Big Bang Theory is like swiss cheese and some scientists predict it as one of the most likely current assumptions to be proved wrong in the 50 years. They keep making more precise telescopes and look at galaxies very far away and should find young galaxies and instead find old ones.

It might be the modern day version of the Geocentric model.

[Baker]

I thought that was going to be your new trend for 2016,considering that Handmade Quake thing. lol

I'll let MadGypsy's summary of the Handmade Quake video speak for itself there. Sums up that project very well. I don't have anything to do with the fact that project is essentially a fraud.

[nahuel]

I did not know this engine , is a really fascinating case !!
If it really works, and this does not respect the theoretical laws, scientists are going to rethink many paradigms .

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Sports and beer, a good mix but rare. I like science and philosophy and can get too "enthusiastic" about it under those conditions.

Yeah, I did go on the offensive a little. I was actually trying to not to.

But I could have done a better job.

I thought that was going to be your new trend for 2016,considering that Handmade Quake thing. lol

[Baker]

I guess we'll talk again when you're sober; at the moment you just seem to be on the offensive, and many of your sentences don't make sense.]

Sports and beer, a good mix but rare. I like science and philosophy and can get too "enthusiastic" about it under those conditions.

Yeah, I did go on the offensive a little. I was actually trying to not to.

But I could have done a better job.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

thanks for the video.

I believe science is the most advanced and best tool to solve problems and request questions. Epistemology is a tool to understand how the science works

I find science both fascinating and interesting on the most extreme levels.

What do you think about Roger Shawyers EM Drive possibly being an example of "truths" in science, going against law of conservation of momentum?

I'm just along for the ride,obviously. I hope we end up with a NCC-1701D galaxy class starship That much I am certain of, optimism at its finest, boldly going where no (wo)man has gone before.

[nahuel]

thanks for the video.

I believe science is the most advanced and best tool to solve problems and request questions. Epistemology is a tool to understand how the science works