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  • Focalor
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    Originally posted by Phenom View Post

    I've also seen a lot of people complaining about B.E.T (Black Entertainment Television) because it's black culture.... on 1 single channel out of hundreds++... Then they go on to say "What if we had W.E.T they'd say it's racist." but the truth is most television IS White Entertainment Television.

    Everytime "black-people" get something there's always some "white-people" saying "what if we had that? It'd be racist!" which shows the error in itself.

    Can't "black-people" have anything?
    The error in itself is not that black people can't have something, it's that white people can't have the same thing.

    Black pride? Sure.
    White pride? GASP! YOU RACIST WHITEBREAD MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

    Honestly, I don't personally give a damn what color anyone is. I tend to dislike ALL people equally. If anyone in the world feels discriminated against, they're welcome to feel that way if want to. I sleep just fine knowing I'm not the one doing it. And I sleep just fine knowing I'm not doing anything pro-active to make race relations in America any better. I don't care. I'm alive on this planet for a short amount of time. I'm smart enough to know that things aren't gonna be cured overnight. It's gonna require all the people with racist sentiments finally dying before things really change. As far as I can tell, it's against the law and it's an actual CRIME to do anything truly racist anymore. It's illegal to refuse to hire someone based only on the color of their skin. So... looks like things are headed in the right direction to me. Why row when you're in a motorboat?

    Personally, I don't think racism should be anyone's main complaint anyway. Seems more like a convenient distraction from all the other problems with far more devastating consequences. Look how ineffective and wasteful and crooked our federal and state governments are. Look at how our economy is setting itself up for a repeat of the 2008 depression. Look how much money we spend sending soldiers off to wars where the American people really have no clear idea WHY we're there.

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  • Baker
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    Originally posted by Phenom View Post
    need to at least retrain police officers to attempt to de-esculate situations while assessing as opposed to shoot and assess the situation which is what these police officers in question are exactly doing
    The quality is going to vary.

    Big city cops will always be a lot better trained than cops in satellite towns and communities 15-20 outside a major city.

    Big city cops tend to get paid more and have the opportunity to go up the ranks of advancement and all that comes with it too.

    I don't know where I'm with this per se. Cops have a tough job.

    Then again, the "I can't breathe" incident was in New York, so what do I know.

    I guess I was thinking a bit about the Sandra Bland thing, that guy was a Barney Fife --- asking her why she was upset, and then when she explained, the cop kept getting more upset when he asked for explanation.

    Again, I don't know where I'm going with this. In Columbus OH, as far as I've ever been able to tell, we have great police --- one of the most striking things when I moved here.

    But, in the outlying areas within an 30-45 minutes from Columbus, the cops are jerks. And then you go into the rural areas and the cops are pretty good and laidback.

    /Never quite did figure out where I was trying to go with that. Baker -2 pts.

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  • Phenom
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    Originally posted by DeathMaster View Post
    I said they need to stop what their violent behavior and learn to control themselves rather than chucking Molotovs off of a major highway. Is that so irrational?
    and cops need to stop killing people unjustly.

    It just sounds like you're blaming everyone in BLM with your statement, I kind of get what you're saying "The assholes in the group should settle the F down" Is what I'm guessing...

    and I agree, those nuckle-heads causing harm and acting in violent manners should be completly rejected from BLM and any other protest of this cale... but lets seperate the peacful protsters holding signs and actually legally protesting from the criminals throwing molotovs here.

    This is more then just a small group with something to say, it's a very large belief that there are people out there with the lawfully given license to kill and they need to at least retrain police officers to attempt to de-esculate situations while assessing as opposed to shoot and assess the situation which is what these police officers in question are exactly doing.

    Some people should not be police officers and nobody is making them become one, they long for excitement and a sense of danger a.k.a sign up to get criminals instead of to serve and protect the community. With the mentality to chase criminals they put a criminal mask on civilians and what's easier then seeing an "intimidating african-american" as a criminal instead of a law abiding citizen? Or a "latino-american" as a criminal? or a "european-american" as a criminal? Guilty until proven innoent shouldn't be the mind-set and is aginst what America stands for.

    It's similar to having a horrible boss who blames their workers... Only a fool blames their tools if a job is poorly done.

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  • DeathMaster
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    Originally posted by Phenom View Post
    All muslims aren't terrorist waiting to ji-had and kill whole groups of people, all Germans aren't nazis, so why is all of BLM guilty of some jackasses smearing their name?

    There were protesters with signs being peaceful, what's the problem with them? Are you saying "If you can't control everyone with your movement then you need to sit down and shut up and stop what you're against?

    Seriously...
    Here's my post for context:

    I'm not a racist, and I don't think anyone here is. I also don't think the shootings in St. Paul and elsewhere were justified, but BLM has gone too far. It's gone far beyond peaceful protests and has turned into what inevitably happened two days ago. Although I don't agree with the notion of institutionalized racism here in America I'm perfectly fine with peaceful protest. But, when situations like what happened today, so close to where I live, where people are chucking rebar and Molotovs off I-94, how can anyone call that peaceful? I'm sorry, but if you're going to protest do it with signs, not with fire.
    There were peaceful protesters, don't get me wrong, and I don't have any issue with that, but it's definitely more than just a few bad eggs doing this type of stuff. The major figures in BLM have done nothing to stop this violent outburst, sometimes even encouraging it. I never said the movement as a whole should stop, I said they need to stop what their violent behavior and learn to control themselves rather than chucking Molotovs off of a major highway. Is that so irrational?

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  • Frost R17
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    Originally posted by Dutch View Post
    This is the same situation as gun control.

    One asshole acquires a rifle, shoots a bunch of unarmed people, and the knee jerk reaction is to ban guns (effectively ensuring the only people with guns are the ones like the guy already killing people).

    I don't know enough about the BLM movement to comment, but being a firearm enthusiast I do sympathize with a group of people having their movement or rights rebuked because of the actions of a few.
    Right; It's stupid to think that because of one person that did it, everyone else has to feel accountable for it. Also it's stupid to think that one person killed people with a gun means that guns should be banned. Why would people who are responsible with their guns should feel accountable because some nut job killed people with a gun? They are not the ones that went on a killing spree.

    Banning guns would have consequences anyways. think about the scenarios that would happen. Note that not everyone has much experience on fighting aggressors up close in self defense even taken some self defense classes. Guns can be used in self defense against aggressors at a safe distance and it's effective by protecting oneself and other people from a criminal.

    Yet people are blaming the gun, a tool made by man, over the person who used it at the first place!

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  • Dutch
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    This is the same situation as gun control.

    One asshole acquires a rifle, shoots a bunch of unarmed people, and the knee jerk reaction is to ban guns (effectively ensuring the only people with guns are the ones like the guy already killing people).

    I don't know enough about the BLM movement to comment, but being a firearm enthusiast I do sympathize with a group of people having their movement or rights rebuked because of the actions of a few.

    That being said, it would be nice to see a day where color is not recognized whatsoever, for good or bad. No one should be president BECAUSE they're black or white or whatever, they should be president BECAUSE they're a proven leader with a strong understanding of the Constitution, foreign relations, and military operations. The skin color doesn't mean shit.

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  • Baker
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    Originally posted by Izhido View Post
    Don't feel bad. I'm starting to think I'm the only guy in #QuakeOverVRIniOSMatters...
    I'm rooting for your project. You need to get it in the app store so people can try it, right now no one can use it.

    It is the only way for you to have a user base.

    There are iPhone users around and in no short supply.

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  • Izhido
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    Don't feel bad. I'm starting to think I'm the only guy in #QuakeOverVRIniOSMatters...

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  • Phenom
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    Originally posted by R00k View Post
    I'm not sure what that means. maybe it's 'quality of life march', or 'Quake On Like Mad!"

    #QrackOnLinuxMatters!

    Apperently I'm still the only one in this group? lol

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  • R00k
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    I'm not sure what that means. maybe it's 'quality of life march', or 'Quake On Like Mad!"

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  • Phenom
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    Originally posted by r00k View Post
    ...
    #qolm! :]

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  • Baker
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    One bad apple doesn't represent anyone but himself.

    That white confederate flag jerk who killed 9 African Americans at a church doesn't represent me.

    The night the Lebron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers, some random African American guy insisted on giving me a hug after we started talking about how unbelievable the end of the game was.

    Almost all the serial killers and mass shootings are white people. White people aren't perfect. Black people aren't perfect. Just people.

    I've had a good number of black friends and a couple of black "enemies" too.

    There was a good African American guy who got shot and killed by a cop in a Walmart in Dayton Ohio a couple of years ago --- for no reason. It made me a bit upset that something like that would happen in my state.

    Some cops are cops for the wrong reason and just want to use their gun and find themselves in a hero situation. I'm not saying this is very many cops, but they do exist. And no doubt some of the young ones have found themselves in a situation where they made a rash decision.

    I doubt I'm alone, but I have had cops do the jack-booted thing to me a couple of times, one time I was harassed by cops for over an hour and given a breathalyzer 4 times in a row and was accused of somehow beating the breathalyzer. If I were black, I may not have escaped that situation without a criminal record where abusive cops just didn't like me for some reason. That situation only ended when I said, "I want to speak to a lawyer".

    Nothing justifies killing or attacking police officers. But keep in mind the guy in Dallas was one guy and the more they investigate, it looks like the guy was a rambling lunatic.

    But yeah, what about Sandra Bland getting forked over? Or how that town in Missouri used the police as basically an extortion racket (fine someone, pay up or go to jail --- it was a bit of a profit scheme for the city). There are problems.

    /One opinion on the internet. But I value the black friends I have had, they've been an important and meaningful part of my life experience.
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  • R00k
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    Im going out on a limb here but let's not think of race but statistics. Racism is as stupid as hating someone because they have green eyes.

    If cops, statistically find more weed, guns, etc in Monte Carlos, than Chevy minivans then when that cop approaches the vehicle based on past experience, what is his level of apprehension? Then oh shit its not grandma in that mini van its some big dude thats flippin lip cause im white. Oh shit then his gf is smack talking me as im trying to say something to the driver, then he's like getting out of the car telling me not to talk to his girl like that, and im then im on my back with a gun in my face... er

    ok maybe not but it seems like it's not a hate thing, it's a FEAR thing, period.

    But honestly, that cop that shot that dude while pulling out his wallet, made a huge mistake. But, for all of us to learn if u do have a gun keep your hands where they can see them, talk calmly no sarcasm and barney fife wont shoot you.
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  • Phenom
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    Originally posted by DeathMaster View Post
    I'm not a racist, and I don't think anyone here is. I also don't think the shootings in St. Paul and elsewhere were justified, but BLM has gone too far. It's gone far beyond peaceful protests and has turned into what inevitably happened two days ago. Although I don't agree with the notion of institutionalized racism here in America I'm perfectly fine with peaceful protest. But, when situations like what happened today, so close to where I live, where people are chucking rebar and Molotovs off I-94, how can anyone call that peaceful? I'm sorry, but if you're going to protest do it with signs, not with fire.
    All muslims aren't terrorist waiting to ji-had and kill whole groups of people, all Germans aren't nazis, so why is all of BLM guilty of some jackasses smearing their name?

    There were protesters with signs being peacful, what's the problem with them? Are you saying "If you can't control everyone with your movement then you need to sit down and shut up and stop what you're against?

    Seriously...

    I'd be willing to rally with anyone who's up for more freedom and less tyranny, I've helped push agendas before starting since I was 17 years old.

    You don't change anything by hoping things don't change and if you let a little bit of violence scare you into submission then perhaps you don't need change, ask the government for help & protection.

    There will always be violence and there always was obviously, what we as a people choose to do in the face of that violence and hatered is what determines the make up of our character, "do you choose this side or that side?" (hint: there are no sides, only stupid individualistic thinking people with the idea that their way is the best way) stand up for the whole and don't let anyone fall behind.

    This problem won't be solved by just watching the news and becoming aware, not being racist, donating or even with violence, the government wants us to raise up so it has a reason to put us ALL in check.

    If we do not all unite and say something with a unified voice then we ALL fail the human race.

    I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
    There's some people who truly are mad as hell, what about you?


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A[/ame]
    Last edited by Phenom; 07-10-2016, 10:28 PM.

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  • DeathMaster
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    I'm not a racist, and I don't think anyone here is. I also don't think the shootings in St. Paul and elsewhere were justified, but BLM has gone too far. It's gone far beyond peaceful protests and has turned into what inevitably happened two days ago. Although I don't agree with the notion of institutionalized racism here in America I'm perfectly fine with peaceful protest. But, when situations like what happened today, so close to where I live, where people are chucking rebar and Molotovs off I-94, how can anyone call that peaceful? I'm sorry, but if you're going to protest do it with signs, not with fire.

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