Why Aren't I 50 Points Ahead?

[MadGypsy]

I'm not even going to address the churchhill vs hitler. All I can tell you is to do some research and maybe free yourself from a life of propaganda and robot-think. Regarding Alex Jones... really? You think that I follow Alex Jones?

Go find any thread by me which damns all religion as being nothing more than some man's interpretation of the truth and you'll realize I could never follow Alex Jones or any other "preacher". I have my own mind and I use it. I am also a voracious researcher.

Also my sentence didn't say Supposedly. It said Supposedly, more things in this sentence. The supposed part is that Terrorists did it. If you believe a bunch of hack pilots hijacked a 747 and successfully flew it into anything called a target and various ID's and other information survived a fire so strong to take down a skyscraper, twice in the same day, for the first and last time in all of recorded history (3 times if you count a building that wasn't hit by anything)... then we have a clear answer as to why you and I aren't going to agree on anything.


The difference is: I am not going to attack you for believing things that seem very very stupid to me. Just as you try and pin me to Alex Jones, I could pin you to MSNBC. I'm not going to do that, though cause, that is a sign of very thin perception. It implies that you aren't capable of doing your own research and simply coming to an opposing view from mine. You just did that to me though and it's super weak, brah.

[Mugwump]

Supposedly? First the "Churchill was worse than Hitler" bullshit, and now this. Did someone tell you Alex Jones wasn't full of shit? Because I assure you, he is.

You gotta admit there are sketchy details in the story.

[Focalor]

Supposedly, some terrorists flew planes into the world trade center in New York on 9/11.

Supposedly? First the "Churchill was worse than Hitler" bullshit, and now this. Did someone tell you Alex Jones wasn't full of shit? Because I assure you, he is.

[MadGypsy]

@Nahuel

The "war on terror" was planned a long long time ago and it's only goal was to create an endless war chasing boogey-men in order to take away the rights and freedoms of "democratic" countries in the name of "security".

I'm not saying terrorists don't exist or anything like that but, as Kissinger said "Never let a good crisis go to waste." ie...If the government can use or create a situation which will grant them more power... they will. There comes a point where the governments power HAS to come at the expense of our freedom and rights.

Supposedly, some terrorists flew planes into the world trade center in New York on 9/11. Due to that act (regardless of the perpetrators) Americans got the patriot act, which started a "legal" mass surveillance program on all Americans and placed a Gestapo (TSA) in every airport. We get attacked, lose privacy and freedom of travel and the government greatly expanded it's power. That power kept growing too. According to the NDAA, Anyone can be arrested and indefinitely detained at the discretion of the Government. That's ass fucking opposite to the constitution of our country. Imagine if someone came and punched you in the face and the "governments" answer to that was that you can't have a face anymore. This is more or less exactly what happened. Someone came an attacked our freedoms and the government said you can't have freedom. IMO (and if I didn't know it was on purpose), I'd say our government is one giant coward. Instead of a definitive and absolute eradication of terrorism and policies that empower the citizens to help in that eradication the government attacks it's own citizens with over-reaching and freedom destroying laws/orders. How there hasn't been a very bloody and armed revolution over this is AMAZING to me.

All I'm trying to say is most of these wars have nothing to do with eliminating terror. If terror was truly eliminated the government would have to relinquish much of the power they gain from the whole terror situation. Show me a government that wants to give away it's powers and I'll show you the cover to the fairy tale you're reading.

[Focalor]

But God forbid I, an American citizen with no criminal record to speak of and a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, own a semi-automatic rifle colored black that takes a detachable magazine.

I'm a redneck gun nut and big fan of the 2nd amendment, however... I'm realistic about it too. We obviously have a huge problem with gun involved crime in this country. I'm ALL FOR background checks. I do not really disagree with most states policies on owning automatic weapons. Some states totally ban them and civilians cannot legally buy or possess them. I don't entirely like it, but I understand it. They're very dangerous in the hands of the wrong person. In my state, you CAN own automatic weapons, but you must pass a VERY thorogh background check and then sign a legally binding document which gives local and federal law enforcement the right to search your property at any time without a search warrant. Again, I don't completely LIKE that idea, but I understand why it's the policy and protocol.

Too many people who really don't even have or use guns are way too uptight about any proposed legislation about guns. Anything about guns comes across a politicians lips and its "THEY WANNA TAKE OUR GUNS! IT'S NAZI GERMANY ALL OVER AGAIN!" They aren't gonna take our guns tommorow, you loonies. So many people talk shit about Obama being a socialist secret-Muslim dictator bent on banning all guns like the rest of the filthy evil liberal democrats. In reality, Obama has done more FOR gun owners rights than our last several Republican presidents. I don't fuckin' like the guy at all, he's done lots of shit in his presidency that stinks. But facts are facts. The folks shit talking Obama's stance as being very anti-gun aren't REALLY paying attention to what he's actually done, they're just parroting quotes from assholes they heard on talk radio or 24hr news tv shows.

[Mugwump]

America is notorious for doing that, which I'm sure everyone around the world is aware of.

Yeah, we are. That's the main gripe of anti-american people. I'm neither pro nor anti, but I sure don't condone that. It may be useful in some cases, like Syria for instance where the people could really use the help of the world against that madman and his slavic sidekick, but most often it's just pure interference. *cough* Colombia *cough*

[Dutch]

He may have disappointed in a lot of ways but at least our current prez Hollande refused to sell jet fighter planes to Putin so that he could help Bachar slaughter the civilians in Alep while the UN stare disapprovingly (that didn't stop him however but it's another story). Props to him for that! Some still have a little decency left.

Good for him, that's a smart call.

I don't know why any nation feels the need to stick its nose in another nation's problems, when there is no immediate threat present. America is notorious for doing that, which I'm sure everyone around the world is aware of.

Whenever I claim to be patriotic, it is in regard to the nation we *should* be, not the nation we currently are.

[Mugwump]

NO JAIL TIME FOR OUR FRIENDS IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY! MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Meanwhile people are dying from cold in the streets in wintertime because they can't afford a roof.

if me and a few friends gather to willingly and honestly play poker for pots around 5 bucks a hand and the cops get wind of it... here comes the handcuffs and a free trip to jail.

Financial transactions in which the govt doesn't take its share? Don't even think about it!

Turns out a lot of those weapons may have ended up in the hands of fuckin Jihadis.

He may have disappointed in a lot of ways but at least our current prez Hollande refused to sell jet fighter planes to Putin so that he could help Bachar slaughter the civilians in Alep while the UN stare disapprovingly (that didn't stop him however but it's another story). Props to him for that! Some still have a little decency left.

[Dutch]

@bfg666

yep, pretty much works the same way here. they say politics is the 2nd-oldest profession, and is just about as bad as the 1st.

Meanwhile, if me and a few friends gather to willingly and honestly play poker for pots around 5 bucks a hand and the cops get wind of it... here comes the handcuffs and a free trip to jail.

Damn straight. Here's another scenario: our govt actively tries to disarm (or make it very difficult to legally arm) American citizens, most of which have no criminal record to speak of, but then they order the military to drop munitions and military-grade weapons to a bunch of rebels in Libya. But wait, it gets better. Turns out a lot of those weapons may have ended up in the hands of fuckin Jihadis.

The administration has never determined where all of the weapons, paid for by Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, went inside Libya, officials said. Qatar is believed to have shipped by air and sea small arms, including machine guns, automatic rifles, and ammunition, for which it has demanded reimbursement from Libya’s new government. Some of the arms since have been moved from Libya to militants with ties to Al Qaeda in Mali, where radical jihadi factions have imposed Shariah law in the northern part of the country, the former Defense Department official said. Others have gone to Syria, according to several American and foreign officials and arms traders.

That's a snippet from this article here: Readme

This sounds vaguely familiar...oh yeah, remember the Mujahideen from the '70s? The guys in Afghanistan we supplied weapons to fight the Soviets? We call them the Taliban now.

And don't even get me started on Operation Fast & Furious, where federal ATF agents sold illegal guns to Mexican dug cartel members to "track them", a lot of which were used in violent crime against both Americans and Mexicans.

But God forbid I, an American citizen with no criminal record to speak of and a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, own a semi-automatic rifle colored black that takes a detachable magazine.

The hyprocrisy is unbelievable. You couldn't make this shit up, I dare ya to even try.

[Focalor]

That's the American way though! It's terrific! Wells Fargo, a federally insured bank, rips off it's customers in a scheme that makes the mafia envious, and the government punishes them by fining them considerably less than what they stole. NO JAIL TIME FOR OUR FRIENDS IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY! MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Meanwhile, if me and a few friends gather to willingly and honestly play poker for pots around 5 bucks a hand and the cops get wind of it... here comes the handcuffs and a free trip to jail.

[Mugwump]

She gets to run for president instead.

Heh. Sadly this sounds all too familiar: here in France, instead of facing justice, Sarkozy is running for presidency AGAIN, after:
1) We kicked him out 4 years ago, and
2) He swore to quit politics for good if he wasn't re-elected the last time...

[Dutch]

I just find it ironic that clinton is starting a smear campaign when she is quite literally responsible for American deaths and a colossal breach in national security. Anyone else in this country would have been locked up behind bars in a maximum security prison, but not her. She gets to run for president instead.

Just a reminder that I'm no trump supporter. I just really really really really really hate clinton.

[Mugwump]

Anyway...

I'm gonna be the guy who ties this all together. Right. Fucking. Now.

Hmmm... One has to wonder: why is it that the very intrusive "stand with Hillary" pop-up doesn't want to shut the fuck up when I click on that very much needed close button? At least on my phone, haven't tried on a real computer.

[Mugwump]

I do not understand that kind of humor

Yeah well, humor is a way the brain has to process the horror (or more generally what it doesn't understand) and I've always been a huge sucker for dark humor. I guess, like a famous french comedian once said, that you can laugh about anything but not with everyone. At least it made Dutch laugh.

This better?

[nahuel]

big funny gun six six six, i believe you need to go to 4chan or something like that. ohhh, sorry really, I do not understand that kind of humor ...quakeone.com It is becoming worse with this type of threads. And not because of the old users.

have a nice day