Trouble with MP1 using DarkPlaces

[ezzetabi]

Yeah... I stopped using darkplaces in that level ``the catacombs'' and now I am playing with quakespasm...

[talisa]

@ezzetabi

turn your back to the door, and strafe left and right backwards against the door a bit, after a moment of strafing against the door that way it should open

its a known bug, and that is the work-around

in another map of MP1 there is a similar bug, the map where you start falling out of a huge pipe followed by a bunch of gremlins.
in that map a set of doors isnt opening at all, and the only work-around for that is using noclip to move through the door and then use noclip again

[ezzetabi]

I have also a problem with Darkplaces Scourge of Armagon, in the first level you cannot open the yellow door even if you got the yellow key.

[Baker]

I wish LordHavoc would be around more often (just like all the other engine devs are)...

He's a busy guy. And like I've said before, he's outnumbered 1853 to 1.

I don't think it is fair to ask LordHavoc to be around more, I think what would be more fair is for more people with an interest in DarkPlaces to step up to the plate and cut their teeth in engine coding.

Kind of like how you and others like you have managed to start to conquer QuakeC, CSQC and such.

On topic, either way I just wanted to communicate what I know and what I have experienced as a great solution. But I'm not always right about these things.

[Seven]

I mean, right now you are telling people that they can't use external .ent files in DarkPlaces with your mod. Isn't that a hack? Isn't that breaking something?

Hello Baker,

There maybe is a misunderstanding.
The mod is even extending the usage of external .ent files for weather, sound and other effects.
In fact the mod itself comes with some .ent file samples that the user can use if he wants these kind of effects in his Quake.

The trouble [which caused this thread] always only appears when people use the start.ent file from ID1 and want to play mission packs without an external start.ent.

This little file brought up so many threads/posts with the same topic.


I highly believe that the new replacement-code that you described would get rid of that small but annoying issue.
I wish LordHavoc would be around more often (just like all the other engine devs are)...

Thank you very much for your explanations Baker.

[Baker]

Hello Baker,

Ahh, I think I begin to understand...

But what with all the media depending replacements then ?
Like monsters, weapons, powerups, items and everything else that is used in both mods.
Do I need to put these replacement files in both mod folders then ?

id1 doesn't have flame nails or gremlins. Make a rogue.pk3 and a hipnotic.pk3 and tell the user to put mp1.pk3 in quake/rogue and mp2.pk3 to put quake/hipnotic and have the gremlin textures and flame nails textures in their respective paks.

You are depending on broken functionality that happens to work, but shouldn't.

I mean, right now you are telling people that they can't use external .ent files in DarkPlaces with your mod. Isn't that a hack? Isn't that breaking something?

It is already broke. It is already causing problems.

[Seven]

No this mod does not bring the slipgate fog to hipnotics start map.
Look into its MP1.pk3 file (with winrar) and open the "maps" folder. You will see no "start.ent".
That means, that this mod does not touch the hipnotic start map.

Just like splitterface said: she is willing to implement the slipgate fog into the hipnotic start.ent for you if you want.
Go and say "YES" quickly, before she changes her mind

[Ashir]

@ashir

to have this effect for the teleporters, you will need special ent files which add this effect.
it is not an effect that is added by the smc itself, but it is added through these ent files.

if you are using the ent files dafx had made for MP2/ROGUE, you will indeed have this effect in MP2 too cuz he too added this effect to the ent file of start map.

i myself made ent files for MP1, which add rain to all the maps of MP1:
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod...g-mp1-soa.html

they however do not include this slipgate effect, i personally feel the effect reminds a bit to much of old 80s B-horror movies so i didnt add the effect when i made the ent files.

but if you want i can make an ent file which adds this effect to slipgates of the start-map of hipnotic

Ehhh, you are right. Forget what I said in my last post.

What put smoke on teleporters in start map is this mod http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod...-overload.html

Somehow it's not working anymore in MP1...

[Seven]

Hello Ashir,

Be aware that these additional "effects" you speak about must be added manualy.
You can add these kind of things everywhere you want and you can also change the visual to anything you like.
The "small mod compilation" only gives you the possibility to do so.
But doing them is handmade for every map and for every place in a map.

You will find example effects for e1m1, start and other maps in the download of the "small mod compilation".
Try them and see if you like them...


That beeing said, you are free to spawn fog or hearts or sparks or small shambler babies around the slipgates.
It is all up to you and your effect syntax.
Some time ago I had the idea of another slipgate effect, which I like more than the fog.
You will find it in this youtube clip (slipgate exit in E1M1):
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMlJv-xjLoc&feature=plcp]Quake-new-slipgate-and-MP2-powerups.avi - YouTube[/ame]

You will find a tutorial of how to add these things by yourself in this forum.
Maybe you have some freetime and want to play around with it.
It would be nice to have more people who make use of it and share their work. So others can benefit and we have a big pool of different things to pick from and learn from.

Best regards,
Seven

[talisa]

@ashir

to have this effect for the teleporters, you will need special ent files which add this effect.
it is not an effect that is added by the smc itself, but it is added through these ent files.

if you are using the ent files dafx had made for MP2/ROGUE, you will indeed have this effect in MP2 too cuz he too added this effect to the ent file of start map.

i myself made ent files for MP1, which add rain to all the maps of MP1:
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod...g-mp1-soa.html

they however do not include this slipgate effect, i personally feel the effect reminds a bit to much of old 80s B-horror movies so i didnt add the effect when i made the ent files.

but if you want i can make an ent file which adds this effect to slipgates of the start-map of hipnotic

[Ashir]

Ashir,
you can do what gdiddy62 suggests to get rid of your issue.
But be aware that this:
- will not be saved in your config and you have to do it each time (or put it into autoexec)
- will prevent you from using modified .ent files for Hipnotic completely !

The only "evil" file is the "start.ent".
The mission packs use the same name for their start map as ID1.

The maybe better solution:
If there is NO start.ent file in your hipnotic maps folder, that is why DP used the file from ID1 (see Baker´s post from above).
So simply use a start.ent file for hipnotics start map and you are all done.

I attached it for you below.

Have fun,
Seven

Well, that worked well. Now I wonder, using your mod pack in Quake and in MP2 there is fog in teleporters, but there is no fog in MP 1, even when I using your mod compilation... weird.

[Seven]

Hello Baker,

Ahh, I think I begin to understand...

But what with all the media depending replacements then ?
Like monsters, weapons, powerups, items and everything else that is used in both mods.
Do I need to put these replacement files in both mod folders then ?


What gb said is a very interesting idea.
To use dummy “mirror”-files, which link to the other mod folder….


Anyway, very good ideas.

[golden_boy]

Rogue uses almost all ID1 textures and then we would have to storage the replacement files on both mod folders ?

What Baker says, also symlinks are an easy fix for that.

[Baker]

Baker is very true.
I remember that we discussed this point several weeks back.
My only concern would be the other replacement stuffs, like world textures for example.
Rogue uses almost all ID1 textures and then we would have to storage the replacement files on both mod folders ?

Wrong! general replacement textures aren't associated with any map or model.

These are associated with specific media:

start.lit
start.ent
quake/id1/start/muh_bad.tga
quake/id1/progs/v_rock2_0.mdl.tga

And these aren't:

quake/id1/textures <---- is there a map name in that? Nope.

So if you put replacement TGA in quake/id1/textures, FitzQuake Mark V or Engine X would load them with -game rogue. Textures in id1/textures are not specific to a model or map!

[Seven]

Baker is very true.
I remember that we discussed this point several weeks back.
My only concern would be the other replacement stuffs, like world textures for example.
Rogue uses almost all ID1 textures and then we would have to storage the replacement files on both mod folders ?
Baker, as an engine coder will most probably find a way to achieve this, but simply:"dont pick stuff from other mod folders" will sure not work.
How shall the engine decide which replacement stuff to pick and which not ?



Ashir,
you can do what gdiddy62 suggests to get rid of your issue.
But be aware that this:
- will not be saved in your config and you have to do it each time (or put it into autoexec)
- will prevent you from using modified .ent files for Hipnotic completely !

The only "evil" file is the "start.ent".
The mission packs use the same name for their start map as ID1.

The maybe better solution:
If there is NO start.ent file in your hipnotic maps folder, that is why DP used the file from ID1 (see Baker´s post from above).
So simply use a start.ent file for hipnotics start map and you are all done.

I attached it for you below.

Have fun,
Seven