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  • Focalor
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    Alright, that's pretty cool. I'll probably end up keeping it intact then. I already had the Pretty Water in my main install of Q1. But I wasn't able to figure out to get the splash and ripple effects in water to work like what I saw in the Quake HD Pack. Now that I've got this SMC in there, it ripples and splashes properly.

    But my other question still stands. If I've got "RT World" lighting OFF, is it necessary to keep these "gloss" "norm" "glow" and "luma" versions of map and model textures? Or maybe more specifically, could someone briefly explain what each of these types of textures are for?

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  • talisa
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    @focalor

    No, seven has coded the smc so that only modelz, textures and sounds from features that are enabled get pre-cached.

    So if you disable A feature, The models,sound,textures associated with the disabled feature Will NOT get pre-cached and thus wont add to loading-times

    .

    In standard quake everything doez get pre-cached regardless of A model/sound/textureactually being used in the map,
    But seven went out of his way to optomize the smc to make load-timez shorter by only making stuff used in A map getting pre-cached
    Last edited by talisa; 08-04-2016, 02:08 PM.

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  • Focalor
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    I was trying to keep my game as frills-free as I could. Which kinda brings up another quick question maybe someone could answer for me.

    I'm not using the "RT World" lights setting in DarkPlaces, mostly because my machine can't handle it and still run the game as super-fast as I want it. And I notice that all these map textures and model textures have slightly different duplicates with longer names containing things like "gloss", "norm", "glow", etc. Since I'm never gonna be running the real time lights and shadows, are any of these extra textures even necessary for a guy like me? I notice that whenever my pk3 containing all map textures is in the id1 folder and I go to start the game, it takes a good bit longer to load everything. I'm hoping if I were to be able to remove unnecessary textures it might speed up the load time.

    Anyway, at this point I've got most of the 100% necessary things picked out, weapon models, ammo/health boxes, map textures, HUD graphics, hi-res monsters, translucent water. Everything but new sounds. So now I'm at the point where I've finally loaded up the Small Mod Compilation and I'm playing around with it to see if there's any "extra" (unnecessary, but pretty) type of stuff. Problem with using the SMC pk3 and just turning off all the stuff I don't want via a config is that all that content is still in there and probably still loading into the game, which is gonna effect load times, right?

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  • JDSTONE
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    focalor i would just use the smc and open up the smc config and turn everything off that you do not want. seven made it so you can keep it very close to original quake if you want. to start learning more about qc if thats the way you want to go check out InsideQC Forums • View forum - Programming everything moved and changed from last time i was there im not sure where the starter qc mods tutorials are at any more. you could also look for my qc thread to see if you can pick up anything up in that. the community did a lot to help me understand qc. maybe you can learn form all my mistakes.

    Seven enjoy your beach time!

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  • Izhido
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    Cheers, Seven.
    Also, did you notice I said "sea of pacific"? Essentially, I made you travel the whole world from Germany to Spain, the other way around ;D ;D ;D

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  • Focalor
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    Originally posted by Seven View Post
    you have to wait


    But seriously. No problem, it's no rush.

    I'm in the middle of trying piece together things to build out my game to my liking. So far, I've made my own weapons only pk3 with v_ and g_ models and textures I've taken from various things as well as nail, grenade, and rocket projectiles. Right now I'm trying to find a good hi-res map textures only pk3. The two I've found are the QRP one and the xolveoptimized rygel's texturepack. I like Rygel's version better, but unfortunately it seems to contain a lot of OTHER things with it like armor models and ammo models and keys etc, and all I want is just the map textures.

    Later, I want to create a separate custom pk3 containing any keys, ammo, health, and powerups. Then I'll make another pk3 containing things like HUD graphics and menu graphics. The idea is I'm trying to isolate these different things in their own pk3's so that if later I want to change something specific, it'll be much easier to find things and I wont have to hunt through folders filled with a bazillion things in them to find the one thing I'm looking for.

    Anyway, unless someone knows where I can find a collection of ONLY the map textures found in this Xolveoptimized Rygel's texturepack, then it looks like I'm gonna have to sift through it by hand and delete all the extra stuff that isn't map textures. And that'll probably keep me busy for a while. So like I said, no rush.

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  • Seven
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    Hello Izhido,

    why should i travel via USA to Spain?
    It takes about 2 hours from Germany to Spain.
    And yes, Sangria is a traditional drink there. I like it a lot. Cheers



    Hello Focalor,

    with "easy" I meant, that the source is included and when it is in front of you, it should not be a problem to copy/paste the relevant code. Basic understanding how qc works and how to compile are of course necessary.

    There are several people here who could extract the code for you. If nobody is willing to help, you have to wait, I am afraid.
    In the meantime you can play around with the mod and see if you like it. Remember that you can disable all the things/features that you do not like.

    Cheers,
    Seven

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  • Focalor
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    I downloaded "00 Quake-Small-Mod-Compilation-V5.30--Seven-20150822.rar" and hunted through it. I found a TXT in the "credits, detailed readme's" folder detailing the individual cvar settings for that feature, and found pretty much the same thing in the smc_config. I'm completely inexperienced when it comes to coding. I'm assuming what I'll probably have to do is make a copy of the progs.dat found in "pak0.pak" from the original game, open it up, add whatever code to it that enables the usage of the shell casings modification, save it, then use that new progs.dat in a higher numbered pak or pk3 to overwrite the one in pak0.pak. And I'm further assuming that the code I need to copy and paste is found in one of these many .qc files in one of the included folders. Problem is... I have NO CLUE which one I'm looking for. So, uh... lol, could someone hold my newbie little hand and walk me through this?

    I guess judging from the fact that theres this fteqcc.exe thing in the folder with all these .qc files, it's not gonna be a matter of simply using notepad to open the dat file and paste some text onto the end of it, I'm gonna have to use this dat compiler thingy to get it done properly, right?

    Anyway, yeah, I can't count to 3 I guess, lol. HALP!

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  • Izhido
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    The beach of spain? Did you sail from the port of usa, through the sea of pacific? Or it was through the airport of usa?

    Although, since you mention Tequila & Sangria, are you sure you're not in the beach of mexico?

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  • Seven
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    Howdy there.

    I am on vacation until end of this week at the beach of spain. So i dont have Access to source Files and the like. But i have access to Tequila and Sangria.

    The feature that you describe is indeed one part of the Small mod compilation (aka SMC).
    But before we go into details, you must be aware of the following:
    The Quake engine does not allow to edit/adjust single features of the game. Like for example Doom3 does or other script driven engines. So, if you want to edit/add a single feature you have to use the source of the complete gamecode and edit/add it into It. Then compile it to get your new/custom progs.dat. Use that one to override the original progs.dat.
    You cannot add/edit several features via several progs.dat's !

    The SMC was designed to be able to enable/disable AND edit every feature via a simple config File. Read the first post of this threat and the readme in the download to see more details and see its features. ...

    All Quake HD compilations for Darkplaces uses the SMC. Unfortunately all compilations are outdated. So be sure to delete all SMC relevant files in them before updating Quake HD compilations with updated SMC version.

    If you want ONLY want one feature from SMC, I always include the source files So everybody who can count to 3 can extract the shell casing feature and compile a separate progs.dat.
    Be aware though that i use advanced physics (gyro) and some more twists on the casings. When extracting the code. Other than that its a simple copy/paste for advanced coders.

    If you have further questions feel free to ask. I have extrem ely limited Internet this week but maybe others can answer /help in the meantime.

    It took me almost 30 minutes to type this post into this stupid mobile LOL.
    Anyhow have fun with your Quake.
    Seven.

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  • Focalor
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    I've been trying to piece together my own personalized collection of enhancements for Quake DarkPlaces. I've gotten as far as collecting all the pickup and view weapon models that I want to use.

    I downloaded the Quake HD Pack. In the Quake HD Pack, I noticed one pretty cool feature that I'd like to extract for use in my weapons pk3. Whenever you shoot the shotgun or supershotgun, it shoots a model of a spent shell out of the right side of the weapons. I think I've extracted all of the proper model, texture and sound files for this specific item, but it appears as though it will require an additional DAT file to work properly. I looked through the DAT file with notepad, but it was 47 eons long and I had no idea what to look for anyway. So I guess my question is... is there somewhere where I can already download this shell eject feature contained by itself in one pk3? If not, what specific part of the DAT file do I need to make this work?

    I've uploaded the DAT in a zip in case it'll make things easier.
    http://focalor.tastyspleen.net/stuff...t_progsdat.zip

    And in case I might've missed a file or two, here's a list of the files I've collected for this:
    /progs.dat
    /progs/casing.mdl
    /progs/casing.mdl_0.jpg
    /progs/casing.mdl_0_gloss.jpg
    /progs/casing.mdl_0_norm.tga
    /sound/weapons/casings1.wav - casings3.wav
    /sound/weapons/shell00.wav - shell19.wav

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  • Seven
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    Hello Jerkakame,

    Good to see that this mod can inspire other people to extend / fork it.
    You will see that there are a lot more 'potential' new cvar possibilities.
    There seems to be no quantity limit as far as I can tell.
    At least we didnt touch it yet

    Happy coding !

    Best wishes,
    Seven

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  • Jerkakame
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    I love this mod a lot, I wish there was a equivalant for Quake 2.

    I want to suggest an idea for Dissolution of Eternity: cvar to change statue knights health, like the ogre_boss.

    EDIT: aah I figured out how to do it with the source files.
    I also added a cvar for the Dragon's health

    progs.zip

    set knightstatue_health 75
    set hellknightstatue_health 250
    set dragon_health 3000
    set dragon_skill_health 1000
    Last edited by Jerkakame; 07-16-2016, 10:17 PM.

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  • talisa
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    yeah the whole issue is entirely 100% related to sock naming his map 'start',
    and the optimizations seven put in place to make load-times shorter

    seven added lots of checks to the SMC's QC to check if something is used in any map,
    and make the engine only pre-cache the models and sounds that are actually used in that map / map-type.

    this shortens load-times by a looooot in most cases, as it skips precaching any models&sounds that arent used in the map that is loaded


    regular quake pre-caches EVERYTHING upon loading any map,
    including every single model and every single sound in the game,
    which can make loading-times be really really long if a lot of replacement content is used.

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  • JDSTONE
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    yea i did not have ent files because i know how messed up that can get things. i was thinking it was the map name. i did not think about not preloading it in the start map to make the game load faster.

    OMG the blood in your face when playing in 3D is out of this world!!! the bio suite is kinda messed up when you put it on. i dont know if that is a smc thing or a DP thing.

    you know the lazer lights that go off when you go in the teleport. could you do something like that with the armer. the yellow particles going around you when putting it on. or red or green depending... just an idea to get some more eye candy

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