Seismic (An unfaithful recreation of Quake)

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I was chatting with someone the other day via PM. I spend a fair amount of time of thinking what can be done to jumpstart multiplayer Quake1.

here's some of that pm ;

Mindz, for Quake multiplayer to make a comeback it would take this, in my humble opinion:

1. Something that almost exclusively appeals to new players.

2. Something where this barrier is near absolute.

An example would be a high profile FFA server running exclusively custom maps that run DarkPlaces as the server.

It would have to be heavily promoted.

Both NetQuake and Quakeworld have a catastrophic disease of bored elite players. This isn't unique to Quake.

If I wanted to play a game of chess online, I don't want to play against someone who has been playing chess for 15 years.

As an example.

For there to be new players, there has to be something fun that inflexible existing players wouldn't want to participate in.

I use DarkPlaces as an example because traditional players hate that as a client (I do too, obviously) but yet, as an example, I would be willing to overcome that hurdle for fun gameplay.

Heavily entrenched old skoolers would not be willing to load up DarkPlaces. And if ProQuake could connect, you'd be fucked.

But such an effort would require perpetual promotion, like weekly "for fun" tournaments.

Now, one reason this would be virtually impossible to pull off, someone with multiplayer expertise in modding would have to be part of the support, that didn't have tunnel-vision.

There is no such person.

(I imagine this idea is slightly repulsive to you, like it is to me. But that repulsive characteristic is required to favor the new over the old.)

And I have figured out the answer. I found the answer when I kept rehashing the shit said to me : Now, one reason this would be virtually impossible to pull off, someone with multiplayer expertise in modding would have to be part of the support, that didn't have tunnel-vision.

There is no such person.

Did you know the answer is Quakeone.com the community?

Not one person, but many persons.

I have contacted various people, Dutch,Adam,R00k,MadGypsy,and others I'm sure in the past about a possible joint project with the aim/goal of Quakeone.com supplying piping hot access to Q1 legally and for free.

Seismic is just a synonym for Quake. Our free-thing can't be called Quake, this discussion happened once before somewhere I just can't find the post or who started it. Chances are Baker or myself, and I don't think it was SynQ related posting

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Keep List

-Support for all current status quo QW/NQ support! (piggy backing)
-Support for all current multiplayer servers/maps! (more piggy backing)
-Support for any infrastructure already in place! (even more piggy backing)
-MAP SUPPORT (E1M1-END, DM1-DM6 with entire new texture sets)

The idea is to retain as much as possible in terms of assets.

Got to go list
-All sounds are no-go. Replacements needed,this will hurt like a bitch.
-Textures are no-go, including remastered HD replacement sets. Imagination?
-????????


This post needs refinement, will do so as needed or some more structured stuffs appear.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

The other problem : Social Failures.

Fuck political correctness and fuck a krix or jbone, this ones for you two turds.

Preaching 'calm down its just a game' after you two bone heads antagonize someone is petty and childish.You two have yet to figure out acting out in Quake just because it's a game for you does not equate the same situation for others. Be respectful of others,simple premise. The other option is the iron fist of Quakeone.com

Lawless Quake servers have long plagued the players of Q1 multiplayer for quite some time now. I'm not innocent I've been a heckler shit talking maggot before, then again I also pissed my bed and ate goldfish cheddar crackers as a snack every day once upon a time. We grow up and mature, at least thats how its supposed to go down.

Quake isn't a license to retain immaturity clear into your 30's guys, fat chance you'll read this but HEY who know's, even I can hope you'll read this someday.

[MadGypsy]

so you want to make xonotic with retextured quake maps?

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Quake1, an Ivory Tower I wish every gamer would atleast visit once. At some points in time, players might stick around. It's really a nice place, we have our niche group of type players with different attitudes. We have a kiddy pool full of gaming sharks, time to upgrade?

Xonotic and Quake1 has ENTIRELY different physics in terms of movement gameplay.
I bet they even have an active multiplayer community, which is cool for them, not so cool for us.

Maybe you meant, what Xonotic is to Nexuiz ? That's a closer assessment

[MadGypsy]

no, I said what I meant. If you remake quake specifically for DP engine/server you are basically going to end up with Xonotic. I'm sure there will be differences but I'd be willing to bet there will be plenty more similarities. It will be another bling-bling FPS that isn't as bling as marketed games.

instead of Seismic, what if you named it Wake.

ex: I left a trail of dead bodies in my wake.

or go Japanese and call it Happy Fun Smile Brown Shoot Game . Wait maybe we could even use the letters of quake for that.

Quick User Amazing Kill Enemy

that's the name, brah... It says it all

oh wait, even better, name it Quakeone Quake 1.

[Legend]

The only way I can see this being feasible, would be to create an entire new set of resources such as textures, sounds, models, etc. Similar to the FreeDoom project which did succeed and is viable.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

The only way I can see this being feasible, would be to create an entire new set of resources such as textures, sounds, models, etc. Similar to the FreeDoom project which did succeed and is viable.

a yup,piggy backing is what I'm refering to it as.

the free derivative and the original should mesh together as well.

much like Track Mania Nations + Track Mania was able to coexist on the same server

[PrimalLove]

no, I said what I meant. If you remake quake specifically for DP engine/server you are basically going to end up with Xonotic.

Why would it need to be specific to DP? DP now is quite versatile and has source code to pull from. Specifically it can run netquake (which most here love) and DP7 protocol. I think the idea would be to make it so that not only people with Qrack, Proquake, etc. could connect to each other, but also using just Wake/Sesmic (whatever you call it) for everyone that wants to play it open source and free. Getting the physics right has already been done really. The hard part is done sense we have such great engines like Qrack and DP. I'm certainly open to this idea! Could even remake a new single player experience with of course COOP! Gotta have that man!

@Legend

I totally agree! But how exciting would it be??? So much has already been created when you think about it. Maybe we could even do a kickstarter campaign to help fund development and give t-shirts and stuff to backers! It would also get some social media attention!

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Why would it need to be specific to DP? DP now is quite versatile and has source code to pull from. Specifically it can run netquake (which most here love) and DP7 protocol. I think the idea would be to make it so that not only people with Qrack, Proquake, etc. could connect to each other, but also using just Wake/Sesmic (whatever you call it) for everyone that wants to play it open source and free. Getting the physics right has already been done really. The hard part is done sense we have such great engines like Qrack and DP. I'm certainly open to this idea! Could even remake a new single player experience with of course COOP! Gotta have that man!

@Legend

I totally agree! But how exciting would it be??? So much has already been created when you think about it. Maybe we could even do a kickstarter campaign to help fund development and give t-shirts and stuff to backers! It would also get some social media attention!

Wow. WOW. WOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Holy shit you're my hero of the day. This is the direction the discussion should be headed,at least imo. The wheel is free to be grabbed by anyone at any given time. I healthy multiplayer community we lack horribly, if you wanna be technical, we passed humane euthanasia looooooooong ago. Fuck that, I'm ready to sprinkle some voodoo and wake the decrepit or dying community that is Q1. With enough idea's tethered into one unified project , who knows. Sky's the limit brah.

kickstarter for development is good stuff
goodies for backers is even better stuff
social media attention? I don't think we're ready. Let me word it this way, I would be ashamed if some of the goons occupying our server's was to tarnish any first time experience. If the spotlight must go on us, let's atleast get caught with our pants on etc.

I can cover social media attention when the time is right (IDK when its right,we do the community through consensus)

I know for a fact any gaming magazine would run an article on this subject. Something that isn't attributed to Q1 multiplayer gaming is that this is where it all began.

Red Annihilation tournament, a fucking ferrari was a prize. Not just any prize, but Carmack's ferrari. How often do you hear about awesome shit like that happening in modern days? It's rare as fuck. Quake is the bastard forgotten child that's tired of being forgotten.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/19/591...-money-winners

^ Read how DOTA 2 champions will get paid more than both World Series winners and Super Bowl winners.

Quake1 once garnered that precise, fuck that, it commanded that type of competition. I feel we have much to offer in terms of even if its the chance to play with a legend in first person shooter games.


Who is Bob1255532?
Who is WhizKid666 ?

Most gamer's can lay claim to being a gamer, but not many can lay claim to being a tried and true OG of first person shooters.
I can even sloganize ,

"Come get your hard knocks with us, where it all began, Quake1."
"Think your hardcore? Think you got skills? Better think again!"

5 seconds or less devoted and I already feel some hype

[MadGypsy]

you can't kickstart “fund my life" projects. Since the point of this is to be free, it qualifies as a "fund my life" project. Generally kickstarter works by offering your donors free/discounted versions of whatever you are building. In this case, it's just free period so, I'm almost positive it doesn't meet KS requirements.

Also kickstarter has some super strict copyright rules. You couldn't even mention Quake, if you even got past the "fund my life" part.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...thing-like-tha

Nine Inch Nails
+
Nintendo
___________
=Funded


? Did I miss something ?

If someone can kickstart for $3K based on the premise of fucking NIN dumbed down into Chiptune's? Really?

I found fallacy, whether or not that makes a difference I don't know. I keep pouring myself a bowl of cheerio's and u keep pissing in it unfortunately

[PrimalLove]

you can't kickstart “fund my life" projects. Since the point of this is to be free, it qualifies as a "fund my life" project. Generally kickstarter works by offering your donors free/discounted versions of whatever you are building. In this case, it's just free period so, I'm almost positive it doesn't meet KS requirements.

Also kickstarter has some super strict copyright rules. You couldn't even mention Quake, if you even got past the "fund my life" part.

I checked kickstarter rules and nothing about this project would disqualify it from consideration. I don't exactly call it a "fund my life" as it would be a community of developers like yourself (assuming you're interested) and others on this forum. The money isn't to fund their lives but to fund the project. The goal of kickstarter is to bring creative ideas to the public and to allow them to support such projects if they feel they merit investment. Which means we let the people decide its value. We can offer t-shirts, etc. as rewards, mentioned in credits of the game, and even a special edition of the game/engine that may have features or added content that the free version would not, etc. Just my two cents.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I checked kickstarter rules and nothing about this project would disqualify it from consideration. I don't exactly call it a "fund my life" as it would be a community of developers like yourself (assuming you're interested) and others on this forum. The money isn't to fund their lives but to fund the project. The goal of kickstarter is to bring creative ideas to the public and to allow them to support such projects if they feel they merit investment. Which means we let the people decide its value. We can offer t-shirts, etc. as rewards, mentioned in credits of the game, and even a special edition of the game/engine that may have features or added content that the free version would not, etc. Just my two cents.

Right now, your cruddy ass two pennies on the ground are highly valued, do please keep your two cents rolling through this post as often as possible. Your idea about kickbacks to backers requires someone like Magnus though (an old inside joke,a Quaker known only as Magnus used to run around the servers telling us how rich is he,blah blah blah)

Where the fok's money bags when u need him lol (jk)

<3 Magnus ,miss u biatch.


ps : cruddy as pennies was intended to further describe your opinion, when someone says two cents as their opninion its presented as being undervalued (hell,you cant even find 1 cent bubble gum machines anymore!) and you're opinion is valued way more than 'two cruddy ass pennies' , thought I should clarify that I'm not being demeaning or derogatory , just being a straight shooter. Your 2 pennies are priceless.

[MadGypsy]

lol@cruddy ass 2 pennies

[MadGypsy]

@me interested in developing for Happy Fun Smile Brown Shoot Game.

I'll make some better tools to compliment various existing editors (much like I'm already doing with my map compile menu) but I don't see myself dedicating any time to building the game itself. Especially when we have so many people here that are far better than I am.

I also don't really see the point in making a free version of a free game. I know Quake isn't supposed to be free but, It just is and there's nothing that anyone can really do about that.