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  • Some early, WIP screenshots from my "on-hold" hub. Plenty of texture/lightning work missing.





















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    • that looks awesum mathuzz

      really like the vibe of those screenshots, and i love those vault ceilings <3
      always been a fan of arches like those


      and the skull entrance looks kick-ass
      .
      are you curious about what all there is out there in terms of HD content for quake?
      > then make sure to check out my 'definitive' HD replacement content thread! <
      everything that is out there for quake and both mission-packs, compiled into one massive thread

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      • @mathuzzz: beautiful work! Just what Hexen II needs

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        • Thank you Mathuzzz and Rino !!

          It is great to see people working on Hexen 2.
          Your screenshots look really nice. You should definitely continue your project Mathuzzz.
          Many of your screenshot shows some dark and spooky ambience.
          I like this.

          Best wishes.

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          • These are 4 different maps shown on the screenshots. The reason why the project is on-hold is because at certain point I had to stop working on each of the maps, because of some limitation. Mapping for Hexen 2 really is not rewarding and it slipped from fun to annoying chore.

            The first, main map, the castle, is quite big and open compared to Hexen 2 standards, I had to stop because of BSP limit we discussed here some time ago. It is finishable, with some compromises here and there, but there is other thing that stops me and that is texture manipulation of Quark map editor. With tools available you either will have every texture misaligned or the other choice, all the brushes misaligned. It was bad editor choice on my side. The texture problem is the reason I also stopped working on the other maps, too.

            There are other problems/bugs with Hexen 2, which kills my motivation, like legendary buggy AI of this game, which makes enemy stuck behind every obstacle, etc... Pity Activision came into the way and this potential masterpiece of the series was never finished.

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            • you can/should use clip brushes to simplify the geometry around details. this will help to stop the ai from getting stuck on it, and potentially reduce your map's clipplanes too.
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              • Spike, I do use clip brushes, in the castle level, everything is inside clip brush, otherwise I would not be able to run it

                However, AI gets stuck even behind single square column in the room. I even tried the same thing with Quake monsters, which were smart enough to find the way. I remember in the Raven maps, most of the golems and yakmans got stuck behind 90 degrees corner. Most famous stuck monster, however, would surely be Eidolon It never happened to you in the game? I thought it was known issue.

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                • by using clip brushes at a 45-degree angle or so, your monsters should stop being trapped within the 'box' inside pillars so much (eg: your 8th screenshot).
                  I've never really seen it as an issue myself, but yes, the ai can be really stupid.
                  it would presumably be possible to have the monster properly follow walls to try to get to the player, but that would significantly change the difficulty of the game - the ai is *meant* to be stupid!
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                  • I realize the monsters are meant to be stupid, but I do not know whether this was intended. I made a short video:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FnpIyC6D90

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                    • The next version of my level editor TrenchBroom will support Hexen 2 natively. If you are interested in beta testing it, get in touch with me at [email protected]. You shouldn't have any of these problems in TB2 and if you do, I will work with you to fix them.

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                      • Originally posted by SleepwalkR View Post
                        The next version of my level editor TrenchBroom will support Hexen 2 natively. If you are interested in beta testing it, get in touch with me at [email protected]. You shouldn't have any of these problems in TB2 and if you do, I will work with you to fix them.
                        Hello SleepwalkR,

                        This is one of the best news/info I have heard in the last few months !
                        Thank you very much to give support for this game. It really needs it.




                        Originally posted by Mathuzzz View Post
                        However, AI gets stuck even behind single square column in the room. I even tried the same thing with Quake monsters, which were smart enough to find the way. I remember in the Raven maps, most of the golems and yakmans got stuck behind 90 degrees corner. Most famous stuck monster, however, would surely be Eidolon It never happened to you in the game? I thought it was known issue.
                        Hello Mathuzzz,

                        I am sure SleepwalkR will fix the texture misalignement with TB2.
                        But I worry about the game-mechanic issue you described above...

                        But then again, do you remember szo´s improved/bugfixed Hexen2 .hc source ?
                        click me
                        He just updated his gamedata to Ver.1.29 recently (1 month ago).
                        I am sure to read about this issue in one of the change history files. But I may be mistaken.
                        In the end, he will most probably be able to help you with this specific game mechanic issue, just as Spike suggested too.
                        You can use szo´s .hc compiler and as far as I know all H2 engines can run it.

                        I am sure that together we can solve these issues

                        Best of luck,
                        Seven

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                        • haha, okay, yes, that's pretty stupid.
                          stand next to a wall and he can't hit you... lol
                          the gamecode tries to use walkmove to close the distance in order to hit you, but as the player is smaller, that just fails because he's trying to move into the wall, and it doesn't know how to slide along it. kinda comic really. :s
                          quake monsters use movetogoal instead, so they at least stand a chance of moving away from the wall in order to get close to the player. maybe they wanted them to run off cliffs to attack the player? (ai_charge got commented out!)

                          someone should probably make a 'walkmoveanyway' function that tries to push away from walls or something, that should (mostly) fix it.
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                          • SleepwalkR, sure, I can try it. I was even looking for different map editors, TB being one of them. Even though I was using Quark for years and your editor works a bit different from what I saw, so I hope I will not have problems to get use to it.

                            Seven, I use his updated hc( 1.28 ) all the time as I add some new assets to the game, so the video I uploaded is from progs.dat compiled with his updated code. I think he mainly fixes some evident bugs and removes some redundant code.

                            Spike, I even tried to look into hc, however I am not that good at it (Hexen 2 seems to be more difficult than Quake). It would be great if we could locate and fix this thing, make some unofficial fix for the game.
                            Last edited by Mathuzzz; 05-18-2014, 02:48 AM.

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                            • Hello Mathuzzz,

                              Regarding szo´s bugfixed H2 game-mechanics:
                              You surely remember when we discussed the bug with the invulnerable spiders in Hexen 2.
                              Szo fixed this issue as well in it.
                              So I am very sure he will be able to fix your mentioned AI bug too.

                              Spike already looked into the code and mentioned the main points to look at (ai_charge and movetogoal are major points to investigate here, as they make the enemy keep on moving towards the player while melee attacking in Quake).
                              So, this should be very doable for Szo as well I guess (as he is currently working on the .hc files, as the new release 1.29 from last month shows).

                              We already have the "unofficial fix for the game", as it is Szo´s game-mechanics.


                              Spike once mentioned that also engine side there are a lot of fixes to be made for Hexen2, but this is also handled by our brave engine coders already. All the existing H2 engines are advanced engines (and I guess/hope not only hardware & gfx focused, hehe).

                              Anyway, I am very confident that together we will also be able solve these issues.

                              Have a nice sunday Mathuzzz.

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                              • There seems to be some kind of entities limit in the game. Whenever I surpass 140 entities in HC source, the game crashes at some point.

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