Quake ONE Network - QIN 'Start-up' (birth) / Quake-ELI 18th Anniversary / DUD's Birth

[Shadowswift]

Omfgnergrageofftopic!!!

[R00k]

to me q1n sounded like a sleep over. and i really never thought sitting around in our pjs talking about quake would be fun. so i ignored most of this.
I'm sure, the idea came out as an honest effort, though it felt too fanboy nerdy for me.



[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S09F5MejfBE[/ame]

[MadGypsy]

@rook - you nailed my sentiments perfectly. I said the same thing earlier on in some other post but not with words as accurate as yours. The only difference being that I actually went to the site for a second before any final judgement.

group: "Alriiiight we are having a Gypsy from NOLA. Gypsy, Gypsy, Gypsy, Gypsyyyyy....."

me: "hell no"
::frantically pressing close page and it isn't closing - closes laptop lid::

I felt like I was about to be attacked with a foreign friendship weapon. lol. "You will assimilate."

Fuck the Borg, get me the hell outta here.

I expected to sign in and everybody would be indifferent about my presence. "Hiya Gypsy..." ya know? Real low key and normal. Instead I got "You will assimilate" lol it was kinda scary.

[monoz]

I was banned from QIN for attempting to use wireframe and spiked models in the chat.

[slackhead]

OK. I'm going to call WTF on this.

So Mom = Mark? And so the quakeone network thing is not really anything to do with quakeone.com? I was invited to a chat session but his network was really bad and couldn't understand a lot of what was said, but I thought I was invited to get some help with my server, but instead I think I was offered a position as a helper.

So what is the status of the Q1N and how does it relate to this website?

Is this 20th anniversary an invention of Q1N or are any other groups/people involved in it? What about id?

[PrimalLove]

@slackhead
They are not directly affiliated with Quakeone.com

[slackhead]

I was getting a bit confused there with the .net and .com

[Cobalt]

How do you read a welcome message as a hack / fraud assimilation ?

You know the internet is a BIIIIGGG place. Theres alot more going on layer under layer that the end user is not responsible for. These days people treat each other like crap at the drop of a hat without at least asking what was done to upset them. Sure sometimes it cant be avoided, and you have the right to back out of something that puts up a red flag, but remember, its a 2 way street. It could be your issue and not the person you are running from.

I want to say something like "Im not giving Marc a free pass" but that would be like me saying its the entire Quake community Vs Marc. Hes not all 100% a bad person, in fact if you spend time with him, hes actually quite creative and has a very open mind....at least that was the majority of my experience. I respected his views on what he thought I was saying, though that was not what I was trying to convey. Miscommunications happen all the time, but as long as you keep an open mind and keep trying, they will eventually loose their power over us. The trick there is "open mind". If there is a mind addicted to something, whtever that is, rules their life and then there is nothing you or anyone can do, and if thats why you walk away, you are 100% doing the healthy thing.

group: "Alriiiight we are having a Gypsy from NOLA. Gypsy, Gypsy, Gypsy, Gypsyyyyy....."

[Solecord]

OK. I'm going to call WTF on this.

So Mom = Mark? And so the quakeone network thing is not really anything to do with quakeone.com? I was invited to a chat session but his network was really bad and couldn't understand a lot of what was said, but I thought I was invited to get some help with my server, but instead I think I was offered a position as a helper.

So what is the status of the Q1N and how does it relate to this website?

Is this 20th anniversary an invention of Q1N or are any other groups/people involved in it? What about id?

Just to reitterate what others have said.. this Q1N or whatever is in NO WAY affiliated with QuakeOne.com. It's quite annoying that a lot of the messaging makes it look like it is though.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

How do you read a welcome message as a hack / fraud assimilation ?

You know the internet is a BIIIIGGG place. Theres alot more going on layer under layer that the end user is not responsible for. These days people treat each other like crap at the drop of a hat without at least asking what was done to upset them. Sure sometimes it cant be avoided, and you have the right to back out of something that puts up a red flag, but remember, its a 2 way street. It could be your issue and not the person you are running from.

I want to say something like "Im not giving Marc a free pass" but that would be like me saying its the entire Quake community Vs Marc. Hes not all 100% a bad person, in fact if you spend time with him, hes actually quite creative and has a very open mind....at least that was the majority of my experience. I respected his views on what he thought I was saying, though that was not what I was trying to convey. Miscommunications happen all the time, but as long as you keep an open mind and keep trying, they will eventually loose their power over us. The trick there is "open mind". If there is a mind addicted to something, whtever that is, rules their life and then there is nothing you or anyone can do, and if thats why you walk away, you are 100% doing the healthy thing.

That's who he is. I think he purposely says outlandish/does outlandish things to see what type of reaction he will get,sort of like an experiment. Take for example voting no to that 9-Level Ebon Fortress post, and then promptly disappearing from that post entirely. or that other post I made last night about 4 insane theories about the universe, two direct examples of what I'm concluding is,he enjoy's it.

You should just realize that Mark has been trolling Quakeone.com for members for his thing, and it really didn't bother me. Still doesn't because,I went to a handful of the QIN meetings. If that isn't a clear indication that I was supporting a fellow Quakeone.com/QIN member than maybe your missing the reality of the situation...

While it looks like everyone's harping on Mark, that just isn't the case. It's a well deserved release. There irony is there plain as day....


Just Deserts, The Severity Of Punishment And Judicial Sentencing Decisions. Just deserts, as a philosophy of punishment, argues that criminal sanctions should be commensurate with the seriousness of the offense.

-mining members for QIN,from Quakeone.com
-putting people on mailing lists that did not ask for it
-demanding people not discuss QIN subjects of interest all the while holding votes for QIN on Quakeone.com,posting this or that about QIN on Quakeone.com
-crying foul for a lack of respect of Quake1,while at the very same time issuing daily lack of respect for either the game or the community that has supported this game since,oh,2006?!

If you're feeling one iota of sorrow for Mark than you should be caught up to speed as to how deep Mark's rabbit hole of bullshit goes,and I will gladly walk you down that rabbit hole. Truth of the matter is, I am the one who vocally called Mark out for the bullshit that was occurring. I knew I never added my email address to a mailing list that I was receiving email's from some guy named GoatAvenger[at]Quakeone.net, and the downward spiral of Mark losing his ability to post/edit posts started with me when I called him out for it.

Other member's of the community who blatantly are flinging mud @ Mark might very well be enjoying themselves and very well could be making another Mud-Ball to throw at him,I'll take no solace in this,but I also won't defend him.

He turned this into Them or US ,while behind enemy lines trying to recruit for his Quakeone.net community. Note,that he fabricated the whole enemy lines ordeal. No one forced him to attempt the creation of Quakeone.net and turn this into what you witness today. The saying goes you made your bed now lay in it goes a long ways, you know this to be true on a personal level with both of us. I made my bed when I disrespected your deceased mother a year or two ago , and not only did I pay the price,this community paid the price,a price that I regret and you know that I regret. You even had to enlighten me to what I had done, because I had as you put it, brushed it off and continued like nothing ever happened.

I could say I've wasted enough time here in this post, but that would be an outright lie.

Mark didn't truthfully invite people to QIN,he aligned some us in the direction of his choice and shoved us. We shoved back, nuff said? Doubtful.. I think the wrong decision was made from the get go. You can not go from one member to another suggesting mutiny and not expect backlash to occur when the word gets out that you're discussing mutiny, unfortunately I was the loud mouth who announced the shenanigans in the midst of our community. That pissed Mark off,so he wrote me off his project,not that I was ever considered to begin with, my wife was a consideration long before I was,and I'm okay with that. This isn't a one man show,I don't run this website/this community,but his disdain for my vocalizing the issue's I took up with the blatant abuse of fellow Quaker's ,and the subsequent followup that every member who stated a legit "I KNOW,RIGHT?!" response, only further deepened the disdain for me that Mark has.

The very moment OmacKnight mentioned that the invitation for his significant other preluded his own invitation seemed extremely familiar to him,and when he publicly said "that seems all to familiar" his disdain for OmacKnight also doubled-down and OmacKnight as ALSO removed from holding a possible position in QIN. Mark's actions are what set the domino effect into action,which was many people who initially supported him retracted that support. We know a 2way street exists, we all (mostly all) officially turned around based on Mark's actions.

It would have been so much easier to been a smartass/dick about this, but I felt you was owed more than that,so, wall of text ^

<3 you guys/gals.

-Mindzy

[MadGypsy]

@cobalt - I'm not sure what you are asking me but I'll respond to the first sentence.

I'm sure these are very nice people and they did nothing more than a warm welcome. Unfortunately, that warm welcome reminded me of when I was a teen and my father would bring me to church. It starts with "good morning, Brother Michael" and ends with half a church laying hands on you and praying for a soul that they've made the personal assumption is already damned.

Nobody should ever be that damn excited that I showed up.

[Cobalt]

Well, its just my view, but I find that kind of sad

Perhaps people have read your contributions posted on this site and feel them to be very exciting. Perhaps you are looked up to as an inspiration.
Perhaps the person greeting you was excited....excited to see you check in.

Again, its just my view, but to me you are associating this new experience with one that is part of your past, and your specific interpretation of it. You are entitled to that view, and there is really not anyone else who can change it or even re-evaluate it more except you. I was once told, its ok to look back but dont stare. If you have one foot in the past and one in the future you are shitting on today. Pardon the French.

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps - yea I know. But if you dont take the time to stay and find out, put in the work , give it the time, you wont ever know. Sometimes you take the chance anyway, even if you get bad vibes, and usually it does wind up to be a waste of time, but for me at least when I give it my best shot, I learn a little more about myself , and sometimes these painful experiences , believe it or not, come in handy sometimes if you are brave enough to experience them with an open mind.

@cobalt - I'm not sure what you are asking me but I'll respond to the first sentence.

I'm sure these are very nice people and they did nothing more than a warm welcome. Unfortunately, that warm welcome reminded me of when I was a teen and my father would bring me to church. It starts with "good morning, Brother Michael" and ends with half a church laying hands on you and praying for a soul that they've made the personal assumption is already damned.
Nobody should ever be that damn excited that I showed up.

[Cobalt]

All I can say Mindz is... WOW !

Im blown away, and nearly zombied out at your sincerity in regard to my "MOM" ! (how the hell did Marc pick that name I will never know!)

But seriously, to be honest, I accepted your private apology, but I still left a small "reservation" so to speak because there is always the possibility someone is "coaching" the person and they did not reach the decision on their own and are merely repeating buzzwords they hear in hopes it will fix the issue, but now there is no doubt you worked on this on your own, and its sincere and genuine - posted in public for all to see regardless of the views of others ... BRAVO

On the issue of Marc, I can only speak from my own experience with him like I just did , but the day I decided to take "one last shot" at that fallout we had was the day you posted to this thread about your views on q1n and Marc, and all I was doing was saying that I too experienced a similar issue with the emails coming in , even though I had got the impression I was no longer a member of q1n based on the last interaction I had with Marc. Had I not taken that one last shot, you would never had the opportunity to perhaps consider an apology was due. Strange how things work out...

He turned this into Them or US ,while behind enemy lines trying to recruit for his Quakeone.net community. Note,that he fabricated the whole enemy lines ordeal. No one forced him to attempt the creation of Quakeone.net and turn this into what you witness today. The saying goes you made your bed now lay in it goes a long ways, you know this to be true on a personal level with both of us. I made my bed when I disrespected your deceased mother a year or two ago , and not only did I pay the price,this community paid the price,a price that I regret and you know that I regret. You even had to enlighten me to what I had done, because I had as you put it, brushed it off and continued like nothing ever happened.

I could say I've wasted enough time here in this post, but that would be an outright lie.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

All I can say Mindz is... WOW !

Im blown away, and nearly zombied out at your sincerity in regard to my "MOM" ! (how the hell did Marc pick that name I will never know!)

But seriously, to be honest, I accepted your private apology, but I still left a small "reservation" so to speak because there is always the possibility someone is "coaching" the person and they did not reach the decision on their own and are merely repeating buzzwords they hear in hopes it will fix the issue, but now there is no doubt you worked on this on your own, and its sincere and genuine - posted in public for all to see regardless of the views of others ... BRAVO

On the issue of Marc, I can only speak from my own experience with him like I just did , but the day I decided to take "one last shot" at that fallout we had was the day you posted to this thread about your views on q1n and Marc, and all I was doing was saying that I too experienced a similar issue with the emails coming in , even though I had got the impression I was no longer a member of q1n based on the last interaction I had with Marc. Had I not taken that one last shot, you would never had the opportunity to perhaps consider an apology was due. Strange how things work out...

Humility is hard to come by,I should know..... When you do come by it, it is a humbling experience,and it just makes you more human. When I'm on these forums,it's me the person.Sure I'm not going by my real name,but the real me is behind the nickname Mindzy!

I can not take credit for finding humility... life, my wife and kids, you, and many others who I would consider extended-family are owed the credit's.

Although don't mistake my turned leaf for being infallible because I just resorted to my old self earlier @ my Embedding (<-correct) youtube post, I felt like the point I made was a valid one, but it served no purpose other than my own greedy desire to point out a flaw of someone else,which is shitty of me. Two wrongs don't make a right, and I know this, but the fact that I can forget this just proves I am indeed human,and I can fail,miserably.

Anyone on these forums by definition is an extension of my family, and doing wrong by anyone inhabiting these forums is disgusting. I conclude that when I open up a modern game (BF4) and I see 63 players I don't know shit about, the faces/names aren't familiar,just further illustrates even the rudest of the rude in this community in Quake1, are still an extension of family,even if it's the blacksheep(s) of the family.

[Cobalt]

More great stuff. As I said, I am awed, and that is not easy for me to be considering the grim dark mood I had a tendency to fall into in since my moms passing. Def your remark 2 years ago had its negative results as you described so precisely...in more ways than one. But today what you have said definately has made a BIG difference...and I feel like its my mom sending me a message that from her grave, she still loves me makes me sad, but its great too !

What you say is true, friends, family kids etc, all are part of it, but in the end its reallyup to you to see the water they lead the horse to - they cant make you drink, thats up to you , and as I say, you definately became aware of it, and accepted it. Its not at all easy, there are plenty of people still out there with it only 2 inches from their nose, and they dont see it and maybe never will. So close but yet so far.

Give yourself some credit , you deserve it. You have come a LONG way. Sure you will still make mistakes and go back there from time to time, but
you know darn well that you DONT have to stay there....and I have a hunch you know how bad it can get if you do....just by writing what you did, it says alot.

Humility is hard to come by,I should know..... When you do come by it, it is a humbling experience,and it just makes you more human.
I can not take credit for finding humility... life, my wife and kids, you, and many others who I would consider extended-family are owed the credit's.

Although don't mistake my turned leaf for being infallible because I just resorted to my old self earlier @ my Embedding (<-correct) youtube post, I felt like the point I made was a valid one, but it served no purpose other than my own greedy desire to point out a flaw of someone else,which is shitty of me. Two wrongs don't make a right, and I know this, but the fact that I can forget this just proves I am indeed human,and I can fail,miserably.

Anyone on these forums by definition is an extension of my family, and doing wrong by anyone inhabiting these forums is disgusting. I conclude that when I open up a modern game (BF4) and I see 63 players I don't know shit about, the faces/names aren't familiar,just further illustrates even the rudest of the rude in this community in Quake1, are still an extension of family,even if it's the blacksheep(s) of the family.