War

[MadGypsy]

The Money Masters is also a good one.. or Zeitgeist (i think that is the name)

@map recommendations - build one

[damage_inc]

For those here "inclined", watch this: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IgcmsqnVM]MONEY AS DEBT 2, THE TRUTH ABOUT MONEY - YouTube[/ame] You will never look at a "BANK" the same again or think of a "LOAN" the same either!!! When I first watched these video's I was like "no freakin' way"... but it's true. The banking system today is nothing more than counterfeit, fraudulent and LEGAL.

Anyhoo... hey, got any cool map recommendation's

[damage_inc]

'Gypsy, I've read, or watched video's, explaining that our schooling taught it WRONG! And it solely wasn't about taxation, hrmmm... "Creature from Jekyll Island" maybe? I'll have to try and find that again...

I agree, we're ****ies nowadays. We have been domesticated Like a well trained dog. But part of the "system" is designed just for that purpose. We have all the "ENTERTAINMENT" to keep us distracted. It's not like back then... the beat down you took was felt instantly!

There were no iPhones and iPads, Android, Twitter, gameboys or PSVita's, Xboxes, Football, baseball, all ball sports and motorized racing, Movies... TV.... fuggin' ALL of it! We're raised this way... it's hard to change and make REAL change with "Full Time" dedication. It will take our LIVES, after work of course.

BTW, I might be a terrorist... as I don't have a CIA backed/monitored Facebook account!

Oh shit... I see one of those black vans out... si.... d e

[MadGypsy]

@Damnage

Well, you had me til the last line. The nation was started to fight King George's taxation, among other unjust measures against his people. Many brave men set sail for a New World because they knew it was impossible to reverse the one they already lived in. King Geroge didn't like that very much so he sent troops here to fight the terrorists and lost. He only lost for a short while though. 100+ years later the Federal Reserve Act was signed and that was little more than a metaphorical King George making his "Jason" style return.

The Federal Reserve was almost defeated a couple of times since then but everyone that tried was murdered. This fact actually confuses me. Only famous figures that oppose the reserve (or central banks in general) get murdered and always when they are attempting to crush the reserve, yet they are still in power and in full control of our monetary system. An incredibly mentally deficient person could put the first part of that puzzle together and determine that the latter is ridiculous. So are we a nation of people that are even more retarded than people that are actually retarded?

The internet is as much a problem as it is a solution in my opinion. It allows you to follow all the data and give yourself an outstanding education on just about anything, but it also allows you to vent away all of your anger in a way that accomplishes nothing. So, you may be well informed, but you p4robably wont do anything but bitch about it on facebook. I think the internet also separates us as a people. What's the point of getting to know your neighbor and being active in your community when you can meet the world from an armchair?

[Phenom]

This is what I am getting from your posts and it may be biased so that is why I want you to confirm.



1) We don't need to fight wars. We would be better off as a society without them.

I don't disagree with you on this but I think you are dreaming of another time, about 500 years in the future. In the present time, we have a world divided into hundreds of countries and numerous religions. With a limited amount of resources and no other place to go. So yes we are going to continue to war.




2) We don't need to use currency/money/paper. We should change our system.




Again, you want to live in a time that just doesn't exist right now and maybe ever. You basically want to live in the Star Trek Universe. People aren't paid money, no wars are fought on earth, everyone is united with a common theme of exploration, and everything is done to promote the good of the society as a whole and not individually. That is a magical place to live in but it is a fairy tale.




No. Currency/Money was invented thousands of years ago to help alleviate problems that plague the barter system. It has come along ways since then and has probably outgrown it's original definition and meaning. However, at it's most basic use, it is a way for someone to TRADE, their TIME for a GOOD or SERVICE.

Back in the day before currency, people traded items or their services for goods. An example, a farmer has extra eggs from his chickens. He goes to his neighbor and says hey you do need some eggs? I notice you don't have any chickens but you have tons of cows. Can I trade you some eggs for some milk?

They came up with currency so you don't have to wait for other people to need your good or service. You have an item that is universally wanted by everyone. If someone doesn't need a good or service that you have, you can give them a valued item, like gold, to get that item you need. They know that right now, I didn't get an item I needed but instead I was given a valued item that will be able to buy something I need at a later time.


Am I a servant to money? Yes I am but what is wrong with that. I can give you an exact dollar amount for 1 second, 1 minute, 1 hour of my time. So to me, money is my time. If I have lots of money, I can spend my time pursuing other things I want. I can also purchase other goods like a $5000 PC.

This is also basic financial 101. I am not sure where you are having a problem with this system? Does the system work for you? Are you upset that other people have more than you, aka the 1%ers? Are you upset that you don't have that much money and are mad at the system? Do you want more money without putting anything in like those McDonald workers or the union workers?


Sure on a national level our system sucks.

Our government is in debt.
Our government pays to get private companies out of debt.
One guy in the government can pick up a phone and say something good or bad and change the entire system that day. (Chairman of the fed reserve.)
A person in power can make a post on twitter about a company that will cause that company to make billions in one day. (Carl Icahn about Apple)
OIL
etc...

Yeah it sucks sometimes to sit at home after grinding away a 9-5 and look at the meager amount you have the bank, with no end in sight and dying 50 years later, with the same in the bank, doing the same things year after year. It is easy to get jealous or point at the system and say it sucks.

You are part of the problem though, you are the system. Sure you can drop from society and live in the woods off grid, maybe that will make you happy. Or you can work the system and benefit from it. There is a lot of room in between the working class and the 1%ers.

I think at some point this conversation turns from a debate about money/monetary policy into a philosophical one about what makes you happy in life.



I can tell you what makes me happy in life. Other than backpacking in the mountains, most of it costs money. If money allows me the freedom to do what I want in life and buy what I want, then yes I am a slave to money. That is how you see it. I see it as a simple trade. I'm trading my time for items/services. Pretty simple concept to me.

I never said I wasn't a part of the system, nor did I mention Star Trek.

Maybe I am thinking of the future and what it could be, shouldn't we all?

You mention money being invented thousands of years ago but you commented on the system as a response?

Money and the system are 2 different things. One is "your time" the other is a FARCE where people lose so some people can gain.

We should all look to the future and work to make it the best we can.

I'm not going to get into a political rant here simply because I'd lose.

But I know a scam when I see one and I see war being trojan horsed in everywhere with the disguise of peace.

[damage_inc]

The problem isn't "money" per se... it's the illegal collusion the government legalized with PRIVATE BANKS that is the problem!

We don't need to swap worthless pieces of paper(treasury bonds) for even more worthless pieces of paper(Federal Reserve Notes). They are both "I O U's", so see that's the difference, we don't have money we have debt that we use as money. BIG DIFFERENCE

The reason why FRN are even more worthless is that all the money printed is due back with interest. AND... the interest is never printed. You will either live in two periods with a system like this... a period of INFLATION(the hidden taxation) or a period of recession(Money is artificially scarce). Both are bad for YOU, and me, and yes... 99% of the fuggin' people out there!

Henry Ford: "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.

Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." In a debate over The Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).

This is nothing new, in fact.. it's why this country was started for to BEGIN with. Fighting a "Central" bank.

[MadGypsy]

Wow, that was really good, but it was still a philosophical post. If you can't live without it, it is your master. If what you can't live without is controlled by someone else, then they are your master.

You can't even live off the grid without money. You would need a lot of money just to acquire the things that are necessary to live off the grid and the more comfortable you intend to be, the more money you will need. You will also have to pay someone for the land you use to live off the grid. Which means you will either have a constant payment to that entity in the form of a lease or you will be paying the government property taxes. Not to mention that vegetable gardens are becoming illegal nationwide. You can't dig a well without a permit. You can't raise your own livestock in your backyard (chickens, pigs). You can't consume milk straight from the animal or bottle it or sell it. Damn near every form of living off the grid is illegal.

The days of throwing a flag in the ground and claiming "this is my land" ended long ago. Even if you just decided to live on the streets... what are homeless people always begging for? Money. We are all a slave to money because without it it is impossible to survive, just like you are a slave to oxygen, water, food & your hygiene.

[MadGypsy]

Hmmm, maybe you misunderstand me. I agree with you 100%, but you seem to agree to disagree with yourself. Sure, money only has value if the majority continues to perceive that value and we could literally turn it into a piece of paper overnight if we banded together and boycotted it.

However...money is NOT just a piece of paper as long as it controls the entire world. It's like claiming that water is just H2O when there probably isn't a single drop of that simple compound left on the planet, but you drink "water" everyday. The facts are in the actual details, not the supposed or philosophical ones.

That "piece of paper" is representational of an agreement you made to be in economic bondage in order to survive the slave system. A piece of paper indeed! What will we fall for next?

It's almost like you didn't even read what I wrote. You are explaining back to me what I already said and trying to claim I disagree with you.

*I wrote this without coffee!

I didn't ... actually I'm about to make even more. I have 3 days of staying up to do. Actually (unrelated) let's put focus on something that maybe never gets focus. I do this every Monday thru Wednesday. Let's see how I get stranger and stranger over the next three days. Or you could look at a calendar and pinpoint all of my Wednesday posts. I'm sure you will see a trend. By Tuesday I'm generally so off in free thought that people don't even reply to me . By Wednesday I'm so delirious nothing comes out as it should. "Good work, Gypsy!" - "You would think that [leering]. Don't tell me I'm doing a good job when I know I'm doing a good job!"

LMAO! - I know I'm a fuckin retard. Just know that I know that and I love all of you guys (no homo). Wouldn't be here all the time if I didn't. Thanks for putting up with me all this time.

[Phenom]

Actually this is not true. The federal reserve is a private bank. This means they are a business. Businesses need to make capital in order to survive. The product that the federal reserve creates is money, but let's not look at it as money, cause it is a product just like any other product that can be manufactured. However in this case the product is given to you to use befoore you pay for it. This is basically what taxes are. Taxes are a reimbursement to a company that allowed you to use it's product. The more of its product that you possess, the more you owe the distributor.

When dealing with money their are some rules that don't apply to more common products and this is because the private company that issues the product is also involved in our government AND the product isn't a service it is a necessity.

The product that banks issue may be made of paper, but it is backed by faith and human stock. Look on your birth certificate, there are some numbers sideways on the edge of the document. This is your stock number. Your value as a unit has been determined and you ar4e openly traded on the stock market all the time. A dollars value is backed by your flesh. So you say it is just a piece of paper, but it is a piece of paper that fluctuates in representational value of how much your flesh is worth.

There really isn't such a thing as taxes...only hikes in the distributors prices to provide the service and they have collection agencies in every single solitary outlet that legitimately charges you for their service. If your job requires you to accept money, you are a volunteer collector for the IRS which is regulated by a machine that is programmed to calculate the fees for you.

It's a trade off - You can use our product with no deposit, but we will use your flesh in the meantime to multiply our assets however, you still need to reimburse us for the service we have provided for you. That "piece of paper" is representational of an agreement you made to be in economic bondage in order to survive the slave system. A piece of paper indeed! What will we fall for next?

EDIT: I wrote this to express one angle of a very complex subject. I realized I wrote this more like "here are the facts" as opposed to "here are some of the facts" and I want to clarify that I understand there is much more to this. I'm not trying to sit here and write a thesis on fractional reserve banking... but I could.

/me puts on Morpheus voice

I honestly don't need money. Neither do you or anyone else capable of standing up and moving their arms. Labor turned into currency turned into more labor for more currency. a Never ending tunnel to happiness.

I don't mean to muck up this thread with silly stuff and ruin it but I had to share this:


It's a system designed not to fool you but to control you and make you a servant to the money. Who built the system? The people with the money.

The only way to get out of the system is to literally get out and off the grid and you'd still have signs of being connected to that system.

Why is war really needed? Because without war we might actually live at peace and ascend? Maybe...

I'm not saying you don't think that money isn't just paper, you've convinced yourself of that.

I'm saying money is interchangeable with just about any type of object or material found on God's green Earth. Think about that. We get taxed physically to the bone for money which we're then allowed to turn around and put it right back into the system... kinda like Chuck E. Cheese tokens (only spendable at Chuck E. Cheese), and that's what irritates me the most since the system is so one-sided and opaque in so many spots, but we're expected to give up our rights foot by foot every year taking one step back closer to the edge.

It's just one gigantic ponzi scheme, an affiliate program a system not designed to grow it's people but instead to ensure it's own well-being is the primary objective and all information is controlled, filtered, scanned, monitored and regulated by the people with the most money.

AND obviously the people with the most money wins because they usually have the best armies, equipment or allies.

*I wrote this without coffee!

[MadGypsy]

Damn, JD...for being Just a Dumb Stoner you sure have a way with words when it comes to the truth.

Rep+ ( that it wont let me give you )

[JDSTONE]

wow most of the stuff im reading online tells me that the rebels set off the chem attacks... but the US helps supple them... but we are going to bomb the government for killing people in the wrong way... im glad we are being lead by a Nobel peace prize winning prez otherwise i may start to question all of this


silly middle east monkeys if you wanna kill with chemicals you gotta use cem trails and gmo's get with the times! and you don't use a army to kill your own people you use a corporation!

[Shadowswift]

I think you are trying to quote Fallout and the rest of the Fallout series.

"War. War, never changes".

And that could be a quote from some other work previous to Fallout but I have only heard it through the Fallout intro monologue.

You are correct, sir!

[damage_inc]

Planetnine, this is for YOU! From us, the 99%'ers Now maybe you'll understand why we get upset!

Modern Money Mechanics

The people who get to run this kind of scam are the 1%'ers, not my neighbor up the street!

[Shadowswift]

War never changes.

But... what is "power" now?

It's (with my own words) the capacity that A have to influence B... and sure $$$ can do that but religion can do more and the next 1000 years will be driven by it long ahead of money.

It's not only USA system (capitalism) in this world.