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**talisa** · 10-08-2013, 11:13 AM

@spirit
as ive said a fucking bazillion times now,
i do give proper credit to the authors of the textures and models in readme's included with my items...

just so you can see it more clearly now, since obviously it isnt clear to you that i said numerous times before
i include credits for the creators of the items and the models my creations have the likelyness of, ive added a big piece of text on the bottom of all my ads.

is it now clear enough for you people i do give credits? (which i said a ton of times before that i do give them)

also... as ive also said before,
i have sent ruohis a PM about the textures and likelyness of his hi-poly models, and am awaiting response....

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@mindz
ive never removed the ads, dun go tell bs again like you did before about supposed permissions.... thank you
also, if you did really look at my items you wouldve noticed the huge piece of text added to the bottom of every ad which i added with credits to ruohis and plague and such

so once more you obviously didnt give a serious look at the items or you wouldve noticed that

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@omac
i used absolutely zero things ripped from the game for my wolf3d map. the wall-textures are hires textures from various doom sourceports, and the hitler painting i found through google.
the models i put in those maps were all 100% self-created, me and my gf at that time looked at what the sprites would be and then created models based on our ideas of how they would look like in 3D.
even the doors we've remade entirely in 3D, which is most obvious in this picture:

the map-layout is the same yes, but absolutely zero in that map is taken from the game itself.

**Spike** · 10-08-2013, 11:39 AM

rouhis's licence prohibits commercial compilations using his (texture) work.
I've already pointed this out.
you are still in violation.

it really doesn't matter if you're trying to contact him or not. you're only allowed to use it *AFTER* he says its okay, and not simply because you wrote down his email address wrong or whatever other lame excuse someone in your situation might try to come up with.
'hey, I'm violating your license and making money off your work, thats fine yeah? awesome!'
yeah, because *that* is acting in good faith... not.
attempting to 'truck' or otherwise derail his thread earlier doesn't help either.

**talisa** · 10-08-2013, 12:03 PM

ok i have the solution to this all... a solution JD suggested to me in a PM:
i will remove the textures from all the weapons and ammo pick-ups and put on some custom ones.

then nothing will be made by anybody else, and all the weapons and pickups will be made completely by me, and only 'look like'.
i will not be violating neither ruohis nor plagues licenses then, because the items will no longer include anything made by them

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maps: textures in them are from QRP which state on their site its fine to use them commercially as long as credits are given.
ive already dropped their prices a lot, nothing else will be done since i am not breaking any licenses.
map-sources are licensed yes, but i am not using any parts of the actual maps.

wolf3D map: same thing, nothing from the game in them, textures are hi-res textures taken from packs from various engines,
and all items in the maps are own-made 3D models. so i dont see what the problem would be there

**talisa** · 10-08-2013, 01:56 PM

le first fixed weapon... le shotgun:

top is with ruohis textures, bottom is with own custom textures
this way i am not using ruohis textures anymore and thus not violating his license anymore

also replaced the sound with a free one i found online. searched for free shotgun and pump sound, combined them and le voila
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3iYE3UCn1E]SL -new quake shotgun sound - YouTube[/ame]

**Mindf!3ldzX** · 10-09-2013, 02:47 PM

**Mindf!3ldzX** · 10-09-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by talisa View Post

le first fixed weapon... le shotgun:

top is with ruohis textures, bottom is with own custom textures
this way i am not using ruohis textures anymore and thus not violating his license anymore

also replaced the sound with a free one i found online. searched for free shotgun and pump sound, combined them and le voila
SL -new quake shotgun sound - YouTube

Wow and to think, you could have done this all on your own in the beginning,and avoided this.

**talisa** · 10-10-2013, 03:18 AM

le super-shotgun is also fixed

not much difference on this one, cuz it pretty much only used ruohis textures on the barrels, rest of weapon used custom textures anyway

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also, new sound to replace teh copyrighted original in-game sound
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aelXL36rXW0]new SSG sound - YouTube[/ame]

**talisa** · 10-10-2013, 06:46 AM

nailgun also just got updated

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBtSHQoIVA[/ame]

sound isnt the best, but itll have to do untill i find a nicer sound

**MadGypsy** · 10-10-2013, 07:47 AM

You know what's fucked up? We all know Talisa and I think it's pretty safe to say that none of us really believe she is attempting to sell other peoples works in a "Hah, Fuck You" way. Are you perfect? I'm not...make mistakes all the time. The posters here have literally jumped on Talisa like she is a traitor all of a sudden. What if (ex) Spike (cause he brought actual facts) PM'ed Talisa those facts (friendly) with the friendly reassurance that "Really! you can't use those! It's illegal!"? Or some other grown up friendly way to help YOUR FRIEND Talisa not to make a big mistake.

No, instead we get the biggest names on this site turning all of this reversible stuff into the disaster of the century. None of you even created the works that she is using. In essence it's like you people just want to gang up on and fight somebody.

I'm not here to defend Talisa or anything she has done. I'm standing up against bullying and unnecessary negativity. Some of you should really reconsider your method for approaching someones mistake. I do not believe even 1% that Talisa was purposely trying to make money off the works of others. That simply was not the spirit of her intentions - if it was I highly doubt that she would have been so open about what she was doing. I also doubt she would have started retexturing things to be in compliance with what is legal.

In other words, calm the fuck down! This is not end of the world stuff and Talisa is not your enemy.

**seanstar** · 10-10-2013, 08:01 AM

It's very obvious that you've just ported the meshes to that silly games format and used the same textures...I
don't for one second believe you made these textures or meshes. They likely line up exactly with
the original models in an editor.

The double barrel looks like it's from the weapons pack I spent some time on...pond scum.

If you weren't such a liar and cheat (selling donations), you could have gotten the stunning new weapon skins I made for these models.

**talisa** · 10-10-2013, 09:37 AM

thanks for that post gypsy, im glad someone finally makes sense and disagrees with whats going on here with the unfair hate im receiving all of a sudden

instead of biting my head of, and seeing me as the criminal of the century all of a sudden for the mistake of not knowing
ruohis' textures were licensed under the GNU and thus i couldnt freely use them

and no, i never were trying to make money of of other peoples work.
if i did, would i have gone through the painstaking effort of building all these models and items from the ground up with the tools SL has to offer?
i did that exactly for the reason cuz i didnt want to do that, and wanted these items to be made by me and feel like i really achieved something,
and so it wouldnt look like i was trying to make money off of other peoples hard work, which was never my intention.

and its saddening that everybody here suddenly declared me 'the devil' for a simple mistake,
and instead of helping me to fix this mistake i get my head ripped off by everyone

**Syluxguy28O3** · 10-10-2013, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by MadGypsy View Post

You know what's fucked up? We all know Talisa and I think it's pretty safe to say that none of us really believe she is attempting to sell other peoples works in a "Hah, Fuck You" way. Are you perfect? I'm not...make mistakes all the time. The posters here have literally jumped on Talisa like she is a traitor all of a sudden. What if (ex) Spike (cause he brought actual facts) PM'ed Talisa those facts (friendly) with the friendly reassurance that "Really! you can't use those! It's illegal!"? Or some other grown up friendly way to help YOUR FRIEND Talisa not to make a big mistake.

No, instead we get the biggest names on this site turning all of this reversible stuff into the disaster of the century. None of you even created the works that she is using. In essence it's like you people just want to gang up on and fight somebody.

I'm not here to defend Talisa or anything she has done. I'm standing up against bullying and unnecessary negativity. Some of you should really reconsider your method for approaching someones mistake. I do not believe even 1% that Talisa was purposely trying to make money off the works of others. That simply was not the spirit of her intentions - if it was I highly doubt that she would have been so open about what she was doing. I also doubt she would have started retexturing things to be in compliance with what is legal.

In other words, calm the fuck down! This is not end of the world stuff and Talisa is not your enemy.

amen bro

**Mindf!3ldzX** · 10-10-2013, 12:49 PM

A very short existance in the Q1 universe isn't an excuse of ignorance. Many great things have come and gone thanks to people just blatantly ignoring licencing rules.

Trujen and XQuake and his refusal to release the source code, a perfect example of why coloring within the lines matters.

XQuake was the fucking shit when it came out, but because Trujen was more worried about people stealing his code so he didn't release the source, his Planetquake site was shutdown shortly thereafter and XQuake went the way of the dodo.(And,ProQuake servers did not get an updated modern engine support for another fucking at least 8+ years.

Her biggest mistake was downplaying like it was nothing. This game is too weakened a state to just be like that.

Originally posted by Baker

"Just wondering what the consequences of this type of behavior is? Let me explain why ...

Carmack made the Quake source public available with pretty much the single condition that all derivatives must release their source code. Not too hard, huh?

The vast majority of developers DO comply with that agreement. I can name only 2 or 3 that don't comply, I'm sure there are few more out there.

Anyway, the Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW) based game, Enemy Territory, is a free download. Sometimes I think about rounding up a petition to see if Carmack would make Quake 1 free.

But I wonder what the answer would be? One benefit for IDSoftware is the enormous amount of ideas and coding that can be used to mold future IDSoftware games. Would Carmack think something like , "Yeah Quake 1 is no threat to out revenue stream and it wouldn't hurt to make the Pak files, thus the registered version which CAN run mods (the shareware version CANNOT run mods) .. I'll go ahead and make it free" or would Carmack think "No, we released the Quake source and some developers don't even honor the simple agreement. If the developer community runs out of players because no one sells Quake 1 new, their fault that they can't honor simple agreements. "

Honestly, does ignorance justify the actions? IMO,no. Anyone creating content (or theiving for the matter) should do themselves a favor and find out what can and can't get you in trouble.

From my perspective, backpedaling IS an option, but it doesn't undo whats been done.
She was taking stuff created for others for free, and selling it else where. That's some shit if I ever smelled it.

**MadGypsy** · 10-10-2013, 01:00 PM

Hey Talisa, I agree that people are bringing this to an unfair level but don't misunderstand. It is your DUTY to determine what rights you have before you start selling things that incorporate things you didn't make.

There is no excuse on that level and I do not agree with what you did whether it was intentional or not. So please understand, how people are treating you is wrong but your negligence is also wrong.

You know though, you can fix your mistake and be more diligent in the future. The majority of people that are against you though, have a long line of history posting others faults and giving "THEIR" advice as if it was fact. These people could apologize til they are blue in the face and it wont amount to a hill of beans cause they will just do this again to the next person they disagree with.

Spike is maybe the only person in this thread that just kept stating facts and logic without an attitude problem (as I read it). He posted links to facts about the license etc.. Move his post to a PM and all of a sudden this place resembles a grown up environment.

**MadGypsy** · 10-10-2013, 01:06 PM

She was taking stuff created for others for free, and selling it else where. That's some shit if I ever smelled it.

That is not always an issue. Many products have been rebranded and sold, even free ones. It all depends on the license (or lack of one). I already stated in my above post that I do not agree with her negligence but, to be ganged up on for what she did in the wide open for all to see all along, even made posts about it... I remember reading a post here where she even said she was selling it (probably in the Second Quake thread). These are not the actions of a thief, these are the actions of someone that is ignorant to the facts of what they are doing. That doesn't make it ok but, it doesn't warrant a beating either.

I want to be clear, I'm not taking any sides. All of you are wrong in one way or another. All this drama cause someone made some 1$ models that only work in a game that none of you even play. Maybe she should mail everyone with work involved a $5 bill. That should cover recompense for the vast fortune she has received from this.

Oh wait, she probably hasn't even made any bills. I'm sure she (probably) gets paid in Lindens. Talisa you need to give Ruohis 1250 lindens, I'm sure he will want and can use them.

If there is some secret agenda to cull this site of long term but not exactly Quake members, you guys are doing awesome.

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