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  • FUCK my ISP

    Okay, so get this,

    We get about 15Mbs down, and an extremely unstable 1Mbs (my home server barely works)

    Now, you would expect a price like, 15 or 20 dollars a month for something at that speed.


    ... WAIT FOR IT ...


    We have to pay a fuck load of 40 dollars for 15Mbs internet.

    40 FUCKING DOLLARS

    AT&T sells 24Mbs as a standard plan at 40 dollars, which is really damn unfair.

    Actually, ISPs in general are horrible. They limit up speed when they really shouldn't in a time like this, they make you pay quite a bit of money for something that is essentially required in this age, and they are overall very greedy towards what you do on the internet.

    Fuck ISPs

  • #2
    That's capitalism in a nutshell. Mankind needs to realize it has to stop with that shit, it's been proven time and again that capitalism is not a viable type of society.
    ♪ I'm skiiiiiiinnin' in the pain, just skiiiiiiinnin' in the pain ♪
    ♪ What a glorious feelin' I'm haaaaaaappy again ♪

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    • #3
      capitalism isn't a viable type of society? If it wasn't for capitalism you wouldn't have a phone, computer, internet, ISP, quakeone, QUAKE...generally I agree with you about things but what you just said is the dumbest thing ever bro.

      It's not capitalism that gives you these shitty ISP prices. It's agreements between the various service providers to keep prices high. That's the opposite of capitalism. If some little guy managed to form an ISP and offer reasonable prices (ie competition) THAT would be capitalism.

      Capitalism is the ability for ANYONE to create a product or service. That means even you could be an ISP. You may be some genius that figures out how to offer internet service for 1$ without your company completely tanking. The only problem is CRONY Capitalists will shut your ass down.... that is NOT capitalism.

      I'm actually shocked to see you say something so stupid. You generally say things that are pretty damn intelligent and balanced. This however is straight up ignorant. The most powerful nation on Earth was built on capitalism. Our money is the reserve currency of the entire world. I don't know what they got going on in France but it can't be that great. I heard you just made all your public transportation free due to the worst pollution ever. I don't think anyone from france should have an opinion on how things should be...at least not til you get your own house in order and prove you can at least handle the dot you live on.

      You know the "funny" thing. A capitalist could solve your pollution problem. All it takes is someone with a working idea. In a capitalist society, that person has a chance to make that idea a reality. I don't mean to be so mean to you but, those against capitalism are my enemy. Those against capitalism are against opportunity... opportunity for EVERYONE.

      Not to mention that the only reason most of the world outside of the US produces anything is because a bunch of American capitalists brought production of their product to your country. If we truly brought all our companies back home you might not even have a country. BY "you" and "your" I mean everywhere and everyone that is not American.

      Our current president elect is one of the greatest capitalists that ever lived. And what is his message? Jobs, money, a future, new technology, a stronger infrastructure, more production, better opportunity, less waste. The only president elect in history to run on his own nickel and win the election. Our president elect alone has proved you don't have a clue.
      Last edited by MadGypsy; 12-09-2016, 05:47 PM.
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      • #4
        All I'm gonna say is, Che Guevara did absolutely nothing wrong.

        Also, yeah, fuck ISPs.

        YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT...

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        • #5
          You seem to be equating freedom of enterprise, which is only one element of capitalism, with capitalism itself. Capitalism fosters greed. The criminal behavior of ISPs is the natural consequence of capitalism, therefore no, it's not viable. Have you forgotten the shit the banks have put the world in with the subprime crisis? Capitalism is slowly but surely sinking the world into a new Middle Age, with on one side a handful of obscenely rich who have all, and on the other side the vast majority of have-nots. Haven't you noticed that the middle class is on the decline?

          As for technological progress, most of it (and particularly computers) is due to the military and academic research: two trades that couldn't care less about capitalism.

          Anyway, this thread isn't a political forum, my original post was just a way of saying that SpecialBomb's problem is no surprise at all and very much expected. When you subject anything to money, this happens. It never fails.
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          • #6
            @academics and military

            Inventions are made in wartime out of neccessity. Inventions are made in academics out of curious ingenuity. Said inventions are mass produced and marketed to the public for profit.

            If you're ok with only the military and elite academic think tanks owning all the cool shit like phones, cars, TVs, penicillin, and over the counter flu medicine, then yeah let's ditch capitalism.

            The middle class is disappearing because of governmental taxes and regulation on middle and upper class folks in order to support the lower class. You over burden the upper class, middle class jobs go away. You overburden the middle class, they become lower class. All the while, the dollar inflates and there's less economic transfer of money. The GDP plummets and we're right back to losing jobs.

            Along with common sense, I studied this shit for 4 years. Capitalism is not the issue. Crony capitalism (collusion), state sponsored monopolies, and socialist policies and propaganda are.

            Economics is straight math. Math doesn't lie.
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            • #7
              Ha ha, nice way to deviate the blame! You'd make a good spin doctor.
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              • #8
                @You seem to be equating freedom of enterprise, which is only one element of capitalism, with capitalism itself.

                I also equate my shoestrings with my shoes. Without them my shoes will fit incorrectly and wear out faster. You can't remove capitalism and expect freedom of enterprise to remain. Capitalism is the foundation freedom of enterprise was built on. Your argument about greed is irrelevant. You have just as much of an opportunity to be greedy in a capitalist society as everyone else. Greed isn't even a good adjective. If I provide a service or product that people desire am I expected at some point to stop providing it when I feel I have made enough money? Being a successful capitalist is only possible if people want your product or service. Crony capitalism of course is a completely different thing and I couldn't agree more that crony capitalism is bad for everyone. However, you didn't say crony capitalism is not viable. You said capitalism isn't and that's just ridiculous.

                What would you replace capitalism with? Socialism (cause that works so well)? Facism? What do you suggest to replace capitalism?

                Do you like your possessions? Some capitalists made it possible for you to have all of them. Do you enjoy eating? A farmer is a capitalist. The store you bought that food at, brought to you by a capitalist. Every game you own....capitalist. The list is never ending. You know what happens when you take capitalism out of the equation? Stagnation. We all get the same thing so, there is nothing to work for and no reason to try. Especially in systems where all of your efforts get redistributed to people that have made no effort.

                @Anyway, this thread isn't a political forum

                Capitalism isn't a political subject*. It's an economical one. Also, this thread is whatever we make it. Isms are religions. You chose to make a religious comment and now you are trying to back down. I don't back down just because you perceive this thread to be something one way or the other. You made the comment and the argument isn't going to simply disappear just because you walk away. It may have worked in WW2. It ain't gonna work here. It's gonna be interesting watching you try to convince an American website heavily populated with Americans that capitalism is bad. Talk about picking a completely losing battle. If you are white you might as well walk into the ghetto screaming you are their new king.

                *in a true capitalist society all the government can do is regulate. That's the whole beauty of it. YOU have the opportunity to make your life what you choose it to be and the reward of your efforts are YOURS. It's called freedom.
                Last edited by MadGypsy; 12-09-2016, 09:49 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bfg666 View Post
                  Ha ha, nice way to deviate the blame! You'd make a good spin doctor.
                  I was simply providing a counter-argument based on logic.

                  Here is my favorite example, because it puts into perspective in regards to something left-minded people hold very dear: education.

                  A college class has a midterm coming up. Tommy studies hard for every waking moment. He pours his very soul into studying, because he wants to do really well on this test. He's willing to put in the work.

                  Jimmy decides he's just going to half-ass study so he has more time to drink beer and chase babes.

                  Test day arrives. Tommy gets an A. Jimmy gets an F. Under your proposed economic system, it's only fair that we share the grade amongst all so that all can pass. We bump Tommy down to a C and raise Jimmy up to a C. That's fair, right?

                  No, of course it's not. Why is it when money is involved, this common sense logic can't be seen by socialists? Like I said, propaganda.
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                  • #10
                    @Dutch

                    We are of one mind, bro. I worked somewhere that tips were pooled throughout the week and distributed equally by hours to all of the employees. I'm a beast on a line and therefore end up with the hardest busiest shifts. One day I started doing nothing more than the worst employee. The boss confronted me and I was very clear "What is my motivation to perform? No matter how good or bad I do I will be rewarded the same as those that do nothing." - he pursed his lips and walked off. I continued to do jack shit (which is very hard for me to do). Within 3 days the rules completely changed and tips were distributed daily. I was fully prepared to get fired making my point.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MadGypsy View Post
                      you didn't say crony capitalism is not viable. You said capitalism isn't
                      Yes, because the latter fosters the former. You don't get rid of a disease by treating the symptom instead of the cause.

                      What would you replace capitalism with? Socialism (cause that works so well)?
                      Actually, real socialism works too well for big bizness to let it happen. Socialism is the only reason why you have holidays, a paid leave, social security and a (still too) few hours of personal life every day. It's the only reason why you have weekends. Socialism doesn't work so well anymore because we have allowed it to be perverted and drained of its substance by crooked politicians and the real powerful people: the few hundreds who share 95% of the cake among themselves at the expense of the other 6 billion humans.

                      You know what happens when you take capitalism out of the equation? Stagnation. We all get the same thing so, there is nothing to work for and no reason to try.
                      I find it quite funny that you of all people (you're usually far more resourceful than that) should say something so outlandishly unimaginative while being part of the Quake community. I guess Quake has stagnated over the past 20 years...
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                      ♪ What a glorious feelin' I'm haaaaaaappy again ♪

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                      • #12
                        Did you skip over our examples, or are you avoiding them on purpose?

                        You're regurgitating leftist talking points and offering no examples or situational proof. We have offered logical explanations of why socialist ideals do not work, that are grounded in reality and common sense. That's hard to argue against, but I will entertain the argument. But you need to start offering more than talking points off the Huffington post for me to stay entertained.

                        You think quake came about under socialist pretensions? "Hey guys, let's make a 3d game that redefines the genre and pushes the limits so everyone can have it for free and play it together! Let's miss countless nights of sleep and give ourselves an unhealthy dose of stress to make it happen!"

                        I bet it went more like this: "lets make a badass game and sell the damn thing for money."

                        @benefits being a result of socialism

                        This is incorrect. This only applies to nations with a lazy ass work force (which, ironically, only happens in socialist nations...see a correlation?). I'm a good worker. There are LOTS of good, skilled workers in this country. If my company doesn't offer me the benefits I want, guess what? I walk out and find a better job, one that will give me those benefits. They will lose money because I am gone. My skill and expertise just went to work for their competitor elsewhere.

                        Hard workers get the benefits. Hard workers get the money. Hard workers get the grades. Hard workers get the final say. Hard workers become the leaders. Hard workers get what they deserve: MORE than the others, because they have shown they are BETTER. The greatest thing about hard workers? Anyone can be one, they just have to want it.

                        Stop being a socialist, and be a hard worker. Then no one has to pay your way in a botched up welfare state and you can get more money and no longer hate wealth, because you'll have it.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dutch View Post
                          Did you skip over our examples, or are you avoiding them on purpose?

                          You're regurgitating leftist talking points and offering no examples or situational proof. We have offered logical explanations of why socialist ideals do not work, that are grounded in reality and common sense.
                          I think he kinda DID address that when he said...

                          Originally posted by bfg666 View Post
                          Socialism is the only reason why you have holidays, a paid leave, social security and a (still too) few hours of personal life every day. It's the only reason why you have weekends. Socialism doesn't work so well anymore because we have allowed it to be perverted and drained of its substance by crooked politicians and the real powerful people: the few hundreds who share 95% of the cake among themselves at the expense of the other 6 billion humans.
                          Whether you're willing to admit it or not, America IS a semi-socialist country, as are ALL similar countries. Unions are basically socialist. They give the workers the power and ability to have the proper leverage on employers to bargain for better pay and benefits. I disagree that simply working hard and being a good "company man" will get a person everything they want or need 100% of the time. Much like you say, "What incentive do I have to do a good job if it won't be rewarded properly?", I'd put forth a similar statement: What incentive does an employer have to pay you more than the bare minimum in order to increase his own profit margin? In many cases where non-union labor is utilized, if you don't work hard enough, he'll just hire someone else to do the job for the same pay until he finds someone who will get it done.

                          Another thing to consider... it's the horrible evil socialist agenda that created organizations like OSHA which regulate and oversee business to make sure that standards of safety in working environments are kept in order to protect the health and safety of ALL workers, both union and non-union. Definitely a good thing. This gives employers an INCENTIVE to give a shit about the health and safety of their workers or else they'll get slapped with fines. Because what it all boils down to with employers when it comes to what motivates them to do anything at all, it's numbers: the profit margin, productivity, etc. They don't really and truly care if their workers are happy. They can't put a numerical value on worker happiness, nor would such a number have any tangible effect on the most important number they look at: profit.

                          I'm not saying I'm a socialist. I'm just a realist. I see the economic benefits of both union as well as non-union labor. Both have pro's and both have con's. Union workers tend to make more money (a pro), but it also can drive up the price of the product or service (a con). Non-union labor is cheaper and can contribute to more reasonably priced products and services (a pro), but usually company suits aren't gonna aren't gonna play the part of Ebenezer Scrooge post-ghost-visits and treat their workers as if they give a fuck about them (a con). And I could list a hundred and one other things, but fuck it, you get the drift. But as a realist, and looking at the situation objectively, I gotta admit... statistically, workers tend to get the better deal when they unionize.
                          Last edited by Focalor; 12-10-2016, 10:27 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SpecialBomb View Post
                            Okay, so get this,

                            We get about 15Mbs down, and an extremely unstable 1Mbs (my home server barely works)

                            Now, you would expect a price like, 15 or 20 dollars a month for something at that speed.


                            ... WAIT FOR IT ...


                            We have to pay a fuck load of 40 dollars for 15Mbs internet.

                            40 FUCKING DOLLARS

                            AT&T sells 24Mbs as a standard plan at 40 dollars, which is really damn unfair.

                            Actually, ISPs in general are horrible. They limit up speed when they really shouldn't in a time like this, they make you pay quite a bit of money for something that is essentially required in this age, and they are overall very greedy towards what you do on the internet.

                            Fuck ISPs
                            I pay $64 and change for 6Mbs static ip, unlimited bandwidth usage.
                            Allows me to run a mail/web server on the lan.
                            All depends on location i guess. I live in the sticks, so i can't complain.
                            I guess im lucky to get any high speed where i live.

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                            • #15
                              @focalor

                              I never claimed that zero regulation was a good thing. OSHA has a critical role to play, as well as the FDA and other common sense regulatory oversight. No argument there. And yes, I enjoy 40 hour work weeks and breaks and what not. If you want to call that a dose of socialism, that's fine.

                              However...fuck unions. Unions may have served a purpose back in the 20s, but they don't do much now except enable lazy workmanship and skyrocket prices. My first job was a union job. UAW to be exact. I got treated like shit and never made over $11/hour, even when I was busting my ass twice as hard as the career union assholes that had been there for 20-summin years. My next job was a ma and pa machine shop. I started as a rookie at $11/hour and within 15 months was making $17/hour as a shop floor foreman. No union needed, just me and a good work ethic.

                              @"What incentive does an employer have to pay you more than the bare minimum in order to increase his own profit margin?"

                              Happy workers work harder. Harder work produces more product. More product = more profit. If an employer has good, skilled workers, he doesn't want them leaving to work for the competition. This only holds true with skilled labor, because unskilled jobs are easy to replace. That's why unskilled jobs are supposed to be for high school teens and college kids. When I say 'be a hard worker', I don't mean work a fry basket faster than your burger king co-workers. I mean work harder to gain more useful skills and/or education so that you're not stuck doing menial minimum-wage work and you're valuable enough to have your own bargaining power instead of relying on a corrupt union.
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