CA shaft

[R00k]

There seems to be some confusion amonst some players, IE Novmode, and PowerZoid, about the shaft in crmod vs shaft in CAx.

So, here's a comparison of the two mods..

ClanArenaX shaft:

void () player_light1 = [ 105, player_light2 ]
{
	self.effects = (self.effects | EF_MUZZLEFLASH);

	if (!self.button0)
	{
		player_run ();
		return;
	}
	self.weaponframe = (self.weaponframe + 1);
	if ((self.weaponframe == 5))
	{
		self.weaponframe = 1;
	}
	//SuperDamageSound (); // no quad in CA
	W_FireLightning ();
	self.attack_finished = (time + 0.2);
};

vs standard quakeC (crmod)

void () player_light1 = [ 105, player_light2 ]
{
	self.effects = (self.effects | EF_MUZZLEFLASH);
	if (!self.button0)
	{
		player_run ();
		return;
	}
	self.weaponframe = (self.weaponframe + 1);
	if ((self.weaponframe == 5))
	{
		self.weaponframe = 1;
	}
	SuperDamageSound ();
	W_FireLightning ();
	self.attack_finished = (time + 0.2);
};

self.attack_finish is the RATE atwhich damage is incurred.

lets look at the damage code....

Normal Quake

void(vector p1, vector p2, entity from, float damage) LightningDamage =
{
	local entity		e1, e2;
	local vector		f;

	f = p2 - p1;
	normalize (f);
	f_x = 0 - f_y;
	f_y = f_x;
	f_z = 0;
	f = f*16;

	e1 = e2 = world;

	traceline (p1, p2, FALSE, self);
	if (trace_ent.takedamage)
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
		if (self.classname == "player")
		{
			if (other.classname == "player")
				trace_ent.velocity_z = trace_ent.velocity_z + 400;
		}
	}
	e1 = trace_ent;

	traceline (p1 + f, p2 + f, FALSE, self);
	if (trace_ent != e1 && trace_ent.takedamage)
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
	}
	e2 = trace_ent;

	traceline (p1 - f, p2 - f, FALSE, self);
	if (trace_ent != e1 && trace_ent != e2 && trace_ent.takedamage)
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
	}
};

and CAx

void(vector p1, vector p2, entity from, float damage) LightningDamage =
{
	local entity		e1, e2;
	local vector		f;

	f = p2 - p1;
	normalize (f);
	f_x = 0 - f_y;
	f_y = f_x;
	f_z = 0;
	f = f*16;

	e1 = e2 = world;

	traceline (p1, p2, FALSE, self);
	if (trace_ent.takedamage)
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
		if (self.classname == "player")
		{
			if (other.classname == "player")
				trace_ent.velocity_z = trace_ent.velocity_z + 400;
		}
	}

	e1 = trace_ent;

	traceline (p1 + f, p2 + f, FALSE, self);

	if (trace_ent != e1 && trace_ent.takedamage)
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
	}

	e2 = trace_ent;

	traceline (p1 - f, p2 - f, FALSE, self);

	if (trace_ent != e1 && trace_ent != e2 && trace_ent.takedamage)
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
	}
};

Hmm, looks the same to me.

CA+ upped the damage and/or the rate of attack, which made lg stronger.

CAx uses standard Quake weapon damage.

[Canadian*Sniper]

Perhaps you should make the server say "STFU It's normal Quake Damage you Noob!" whenever it catches the words "quake" and "damage" in the same sentence

[Baker]

There is something to be said for "standard."

I first played CA+ close to 4 years ago with Hideo (wherever he is now ) at Max.

I can remember battling Quazy in a few matchups and it quickly became clear that for some reason the shaft was heavily favored.

It's not that I am against CA+ modifications, I think the modifications make the battles more intense and favor better accuracy (but I think the lack of randomization of spawn points and other things makes the mod show it's age.)

But what I always hated about CA+ was having such a great deal of difficulty understanding how the mod worked as far as damage goes because it was clearly not the same as other servers. It wasn't documented anywhere that I could find and if you approach Quake on a CA+ server like any other server, you are going to get owned.

[Canadian*Sniper]

I agree with Baker and would like to add that the Lightning Gun is powerful enough as it is with original settings.

[R00k]

yes, im not baggin these good players, i'm just saying that if a modder changes the physics/balance of weapons then its not quake anymore as we all know it....

[Verybadloser^XJ]

Playing dm6 dmm3 in europe you will after about 20 seconds realise that shaft is sooo much more powerful than rl, unless you are getting direct hits. This also applies to qw where dm4 is decided by shaft aim, amongst every other map.
The shaft is favoured amongst better players simply because it's a way more powerful weapon.....
300 in one second compared to 120 off a rocket launcher..........go figure

[R00k]

well 30 dmg per frame for lg 120 per hit rl...
I know what u're saying but what i mean is that some think that CAx has changed the lg damage from normal Quake. This isnt so. If you want altered weapons go play q3... RocketArena as u suggest if i made lg weaker then you would notice on dm4 !

though dm4 is RL splash-frenzy.

[Verybadloser^XJ]

Well if anything CAx should reduce the damage done by shaft, to make the games last longer (but ye they are the same).

I think you're knowledge of dm4 is lacking because all the games i've seen have been decided by who has the best shaft aim amongst the leet players, with rl used as a back up weapon to direct players.

[R00k]

possibly cause I do hate dm4 too much cat and mouse teleporting

[InvincibleDrone]

"Well if anything CAx should"

..should take away your grenade launcher if more than two nades are thrown consecutively

[Phenom]

"Well if anything CAx should"

Should bake me cookies and service me nightly. But we all dont get what we want.

spam protection is already enabled on CAX, I think its 5 consecutive nades and you get them taken away, thats pretty strict. Keep this up and we'll be running around with AXES! Then you better watch out for me!

[Canadian*Sniper]

BS! You better watch out for ME! Canadians are practically lumberjacks

[Phenom]

Hax!

but really, I dont notice any difference in the lightning gun's power, the aim is alittle different between the two but thats probly because the physics are tweaked a bit between servers.
I know on CHI I feel like i have a lead weight attached to me and on Rage it feels smooth and responsive, thats why I play at Rage clanberries was another great server, chi never did feel right tho. even when it was phathookups, good ping but the settings wern't default

[Perochi]

i like clanberries ,

p.s. i come back 1 day with a steady ping and most people cried hacks.